Spin Control

[Darrell O'Neill]

Perhaps something to consider would be trying to leave go the steering wheel alittle earlier, you'll be suprised how often that will correct things, especially when you leave the comfort of the nice black stuff and hit the bumpy stuff. Thumbs removed from the inside of the wheel is also good practice.

Saying all that, looks like every spin Ive ever had and exactly how do things!

[FILFAN]

Thought thumbs on inside was good thing on the track as you can do a full turn on the wheel without removing your hands using thumbs as pivots

[Mark Stanton]

Thumbs inside isn't always a good idea especially when you spear off into the grass/gravel the force of a spinning steering wheel being twisted from your hands can soon end up with broken thumbs/fingers/wrists

[adamnreeves]

Maybe lifting off the throttle caused a weight transfer from the rear to front wheels. If you were braking also this would add to the weight transfer. Assuming your brake bias is causing isssues. Maybe your corner entry speed was just a little too hot. It might be worthwhile thinking about getting a full geo done to match you style All IMHO of course.

[FILFAN]

Maybe lifting off the throttle caused a weight transfer from the rear to front wheels. If you were braking also this would add to the weight transfer. Assuming your brake bias is causing isssues. Maybe your corner entry speed was just a little too hot. It might be worthwhile thinking about getting a full geo done to match you style All IMHO of course.

Always knew I had style

Pro comp is in the new year wish list too

[gavinnn]

Been to Blyton about 4 times, that corner does make you want to push it but I've never had a problem there. From my view seems like you went in a bit hot and then not quite quick enough to catch the spin but you weren't far off judging by your hand movements.

Extra things to think about as well, were you thinking a lot about the trail braking side therefore you're slightly sidetracked from the usual braking point?

I was there that day as well but not on your video, was in a lotus coloured narrowbody with a yellow cage.

[FILFAN]

Been to Blyton about 4 times, that corner does make you want to push it but I've never had a problem there. From my view seems like you went in a bit hot and then not quite quick enough to catch the spin but you weren't far off judging by your hand movements.

Extra things to think about as well, were you thinking a lot about the trail braking side therefore you're slightly sidetracked from the usual braking point?

I was there that day as well but not on your video, was in a lotus coloured narrowbody with a yellow cage.

Will check out my other vids to see if I can see you. Is blyton local for you too. I'm off again in oct with any luck

Will be honest in the trail braking in that yes the instructor got me to try it but I had no real brakes to speak of. I had to put my foot to the floor and wait for it to slow down so my braking points were miles before they really should be and needed the extra bit of brakes avail as I was turning. all sorted now though with the ap cylinder

[AdamR]

I've done Blyton a lot of times now, know that corner well

Looked to me like not hard enough on the brakes in a straight line, which meant you felt like you needed to trail the brakes longer than usual to scrub off the speed - which kept weight over the nose (and off the rear) a bit too far into the bend. You knew what was happening, but got the opposite lock on just a smidge too late.

I've done the same / a very similar thing a couple of times, but luckily got the lock on fast enough to avoid a spin:

6:50 here:

and 0:35 here:

Edit: Who do I need to see for a C20XE badge?

[gavinnn]

I'm from Nottingham so about an hour and a half with the trailer. I usually stop around end of September/beginning of October due to our shoddy weather.

Sounds like a bit of many factors made you spin then, mental focus/setup etc. At least you've done something about it in order to make you a better driver as well.

[FILFAN]

Who do I need to see for a C20XE badge?

Gadgetman

[FILFAN]

I've done Blyton a lot of times now, know that corner well

Looked to me like not hard enough on the brakes in a straight line, which meant you felt like you needed to trail the brakes longer than usual to scrub off the speed - which kept weight over the nose (and off the rear) a bit too far into the bend. You knew what was happening, but got the opposite lock on just a smidge too late.

I've done the same / a very similar thing a couple of times, but luckily got the lock on fast enough to avoid a spin:

6:50 here:

and 0:35 here:

Edit: Who do I need to see for a C20XE badge?

nice vids atleast you caught it in time. What data log display are you using?

[FILFAN]

I'm from Nottingham so about an hour and a half with the trailer. I usually stop around end of September/beginning of October due to our shoddy weather.

Sounds like a bit of many factors made you spin then, mental focus/setup etc. At least you've done something about it in order to make you a better driver as well.

You not fancy barkston Heath in a few weeks

[Blatman]

Thumbs inside the wheel until the car is unrecoverable AND there is a danger of injury from the wheel itself. If you're spinning with no danger of hitting anything solid that may wrench the wheel from your hands then by all means keep trying to recover it

Thumbs inside aregoing to give you a clue the car is going to spin. To turn right for example, you pull down with the right hand/thumb. If you have to reduce turning effort before the apex (the steering feels like it suddenly got lighter), the back is coming round

[SteveH]

Couple of thoughts from the video and what you have said.

Firstly it looks like you were turning in a bit early for the corner, not just on that lap. This will tend to mean you carry too much speed in and compromise the exit line. I suspect that in this case having power on (or not) wasn't really a factor, the oversteer was already likely by the apex due to your line and entry speed.

It looks like you put a reasonable amount of lock on without a lot of result at the wheels, what kind of rack have you got? Standard racks take a fair bit of turning to get enough angle at the front wheels to correct a slide and in my experience as soon as you have to start moving your hands from the fixed position on the wheel your chances of catching the slide (or the resulting tankslapper) reduce severely. If I remember correctly, the standard 2.5 turn rack from Westfield is in fact a 4 turn rack with added stops so it isn't any quicker, the Rally Design one will get more lock on per turn of the wheel.

Trailbraking is a very handy technique but think of it more as a way of getting more grip at the front, allowing you to take more entry speed on the correct line into the corner, inevitably it will reduce grip at the back but taking the later turnin point will tend to mean that you are then able to reduce the steering lock at an earlier point in the corner anyway, stabilising the car thus allowing you to get power on earlier and either let it settle for acceleration or use the lack of grip at the rear if you want to try a little gentle drifting.

HTH

Steve H

[gavinnn]

You not fancy barkston Heath in a few weeks

Think I'm going back to Blyton on the 23rd, got black flagged at RAF Wittering today for noise levels so need that sorting first; the perforated tube that runs down the middle of the silencer has cracked so it's resonating, it's done it before but it's done it further down now. Need to get a new silencer made up really, the heat coming out the rotor housings is ridiculous!

Steve's right about the line you're taking as well, wasn't sure if it just me that thought it at first cause of the video so kept quiet.