ScotRail Fare Dodger

[lippydave]

Good for you Dave. As you say he should not have had to do it, but at least it's now sorted.

Thank you.

That was my point to my wife.

The last person the bully will now think about intimidating is my lad.

It was also a bit of a surprise as well as a good thing as despite his Dad being a gobby chap not afraid to speak his mind or be err, physical, (even when wrong... ) my lad is generally shy, polite, and quietly spoken.

I have to say I rewarded him for "doing the right thing" rather than reward him for clocking the bully....  

Didn't want him coming home from school the following week saying, "Dad, I laid out 4 kids this week, do I get extra football cards this week too?...."        

[FILFAN]

As I think someone already said.

If you break the law you should have no rights to its protection.

[*Emma*]

Anyone seen this?

conductor stabbed

Edit to say inspector, not conductor.

[Carl]

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Grrrrrr..      I was ******' seething and had to do something about it.

I sat down with Josh and we had a good long chat about bullies and how they were just stupid cowards who pick on people just to get some attention. I told my lad in no uncertain terms that if the bully started with him he was to ignore the advice of his Mom and teachers, and follow the advice of his Dad and keep punching the bully as hard as possible in the face until the bully was helpless. ...My instruction to him, (as it was to my now grown up daughters was that "We never start fights, but we always finish them.."  

Anway the following Friday wifey got called into school to see the headmistress. She sat down and was told how Josh had lamped the bully back good and proper and made him cry and his nose bleed profusely....

Can't agree with this (despite having 2 young kids at school)

It's teaching kids at a young age that violence solves a problem.

[Tonsko]

I want to side with the member of the public who kicked him off. But I also do not know all the facts. I also wonder if the 'big man' is regretting it.

In a similar situation I got involved in, a white guy on a bus started being openly racist. When a black guy offered him out, he scuttled to the front of the bus to complain loudly to the bus driver that he was being threatened by a black man. I lost it. I had a stand up row with him. To my (future) shame I didn't do it entirely clean mouthed. In fact, I think most of the passengers probably had to wash their brains out later. I eventually evicted him from the bus and carried on with my journey. It was then that I looked around and saw the full bus staring at me and felt very ashamed at the way I'd gone about it. I was very angry with him, but then very embarrassed for myself for not being able to deal with it without swearing. The feelings of shame overbore the feeling of self-satisfaction for standing up for what I believed in, and I got off at the next stop to walk the rest of the way. I got the impression that the bus approved of what I had done, but not in the way I had gone about it. Those few minutes of shame are burned into my memory. I would hope that I'd do it again, but also hope in a totally different way.

[lippydave]

Grrrrrr..      I was ******' seething and had to do something about it.

I sat down with Josh and we had a good long chat about bullies and how they were just stupid cowards who pick on people just to get some attention. I told my lad in no uncertain terms that if the bully started with him he was to ignore the advice of his Mom and teachers, and follow the advice of his Dad and keep punching the bully as hard as possible in the face until the bully was helpless. ...My instruction to him, (as it was to my now grown up daughters was that "We never start fights, but we always finish them.."  

Anway the following Friday wifey got called into school to see the headmistress. She sat down and was told how Josh had lamped the bully back good and proper and made him cry and his nose bleed profusely....

Can't agree with this (despite having 2 young kids at school)

It's teaching kids at a young age that violence solves a problem.

Everyone's entiltled to their opinion.  

My wife didn't agree either, but her method allowed the situation to escalate, my method stopped the bullying.

I don't feel I taught my lad that violence solved the problem.

I believe I taught that him an appropriate response to unprovoked bullying is a more effective solution than complaining to a teacher.   The teacher who on several occasions was unable to implement any suitable sanctions to stop the problem.

If you wish to teach your kids that taking unwarranted physical abuse at the hands of a stranger is ok as long as you tell an authority figure about it afterwards....Well that's your prerogative...

[jerryhzx12]

I believe I taught that him an appropriate response to unprovoked bullying is a more effective solution than complaining to a teacher.   The teacher who on several occasions was unable to implement any suitable sanctions to stop the problem.

If you wish to teach your kids that taking unwarranted physical abuse at the hands of a stranger is ok as long as you tell an authority figure about it afterwards....Well that's your prerogative...

With you on that, well said !

[Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Chairman]

Speak softly and carry a big stick.

[Carl]

I believe I taught that him an appropriate response to unprovoked bullying is a more effective solution than complaining to a teacher.

So if you're in a pub and some bloke has a bit of a go it's OK to beat him up.

(what about the fare dodger, he was thrown off the train by a big bully.)

[V 8]

I believe I taught that him an appropriate response to unprovoked bullying is a more effective solution than complaining to a teacher.   The teacher who on several occasions was unable to implement any suitable sanctions to stop the problem.

If you wish to teach your kids that taking unwarranted physical abuse at the hands of a stranger is ok as long as you tell an authority figure about it afterwards....Well that's your prerogative...

With you on that, well said !

Yup, and me.

[GreigM]

So if you're in a pub and some bloke has a bit of a go it's OK to beat him up.

Thats a pretty poor analogy - if you read the thread the bullying had been reported several times and no effective action taken - would you prefer the child just sat back and took the bullying endlessly?  At some point it had to stop - it was a shame that it didn't stop at the hands of the teacher, but needs must.

[jerryhzx12]

So if you're in a pub and some bloke has a bit of a go it's OK to beat him up.

Well, actually, if you haven't caused him to have a go, and he is actually getting physical, it doesnt seem unreasonabe to scud the tw*t  before he does the same to you in my book.

[Carl]

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Thats a pretty poor analogy - if you read the thread the bullying had been reported several times and no effective action taken - would you prefer the child just sat back and took the bullying endlessly?  At some point it had to stop - it was a shame that it didn't stop at the hands of the teacher, but needs must.

So a kid has been taught violence to make up for the failings of grown ups.

I still maintain it's teaching kids that violence works solves problems. It's then only a small step to "violence gets you your own way"

[V 8]

Lets hope you never spill somene's pint in a pub

[Leftfield]

I still don't get this kids father, he apparently wants a prosecution.

I believe the kid was diabetic yet had consumed a fair amount of alcohol.

He's 19 yet has the maturity of a 12 year old, a student who hasn't learned some basic lessons in life, I don't want this to sound like a blame the parents rant but the father should take a long hard look at himself and his son and ask himself what if any values he instilled in his offspring.Maybe the guy who threw him off could have handled it better but hindsight is a wonderful thing

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