ScotRail Fare Dodger

[adamnreeves]

Dave, I do see this as two cases. One of theft by the 19year old and one of actual bodily harm inflected to him by the big man.  We all applaud the big man but as my parents taught me, two wrongs do not make a right. They both have responsibility to their actions and should be held accountable and dealt with accordingly.

[Matta]

I happen to live in the town where the wee d**khead was thrown out.

He was lucky, normally he'd have been eaten by the locals and never seen again!  

He deserved all he got and if I was him, I'd have learned my lesson and keep my head down from now on.

Best forgotten about and the world can move on.

Matt

[Norman Verona]

Dave, I suspect the court will award him compensation because, in the eyes of the court, he was assaulted. Had a policeman been called and he continued to act as he did and got thumped (reasonable force m'lord) he wouldn't have a claim.

We make laws and we must adhere to them. We can't take the law into our own hands when we see something wrong.

As I said, he did need sorting, but by the correct authority. The fact that we all agree that a policeman would not be available in time leads to what happened.

[V 8]

The laws are passed by government who we all vote for, based on our beliefs. Trouble is, not all the policies of an elected party are necessarily in line with the electors beliefs, so we make do with the party that has the most policies in line with our thinking.

The PC pretentious world we live in, prohibits a hard line view and as such all the major parties are soft on law and order.

Perhaps the BNP could do a better job, oh, sorry.......it's not PC to vote for them, in fact it's almost against the law

[Captain Colonial]

Having started this discussion to aid snack food sales, I'll now wade in with an opinion no one cares about - as usual!

"We" as a society have raised a generation of young adults who have little or no respect for authority, and no idea about taking responsibility for their own actions.  We have done this by providing an environment which delivers instant gratification of wants (which are mistaken for needs) without any work being performed to earn it, and failing to provide a structure and framework of order and discipline.  We have then compounded it by rewarding the children in order not to instil a work ethic, but to keep them quiet and out of our hair.

In other words, we have created this little slice of Hell through leading by shining example, and only have ourselves to blame, now and when this group breeds and brings up their sprogs.

Do I have a solution?  No - I'm just reviewing the road as to how we got here IMHO.

So to the train...and the lack of responsibility.  The young passenger refused to take responsibility for either not buying a ticket, or buying the wrong ticket.  He then exercised his lack of respect for the conductor, the passengers on the train and those on any train following it by becoming entrenched and abusive.  Finally, when someone stood up and assisted the conductor to remove the problem, the young passenger repeatedly fought against it rather than accepting the authority of the conductor.  He was not thrown from the train.  When he was only injured when he fought several people in an attempt to re-board the train and unfairly ride without paying.  My opinion is he deserved and actively earned his own injuries, as well as the disgust of the public.

(There is no evidence that police would be available if he was allowed to continue, so we cannot speculate as to whether or not they should have been called or indeed would have responded.)

If he does pursue a case for damages against the big man, I doubt any judge would find in his favour based on that video and the testimony of others present.  I should think the rail company would also pursue him for having no ticket as well.

Sometimes life's most memorable lessons are the most painful ones too.  I believe he earned that lesson - whether he learns something good from it is another matter.

[dombanks]

come on cc branch out into splinter removal tools, in this difficult time for snack sales you need to diversify  

[Captain Colonial]

come on cc branch out into splinter removal tools, in this difficult time for snack sales you need to diversify  

I fear some of the fellow boardroom members might rather enjoy splinters in their - I'm happy with snack foods.

[pistonbroke]

Having started this discussion to aid snack food sales, I'll now wade in with am opinion no one cares about - as usual!

"We" as a society have raised a generation of young adults who have little or no respect for authority, and no idea about taking responsibility for their own actions.  We have done this by providing an environment which delivers instant gratification of wants (which are mistaken for needs) without any work being performed to earn it, and failing to provide a structure and framework of order and discipline.  We have then compounded it by rewarding the children in order not to instil a work ethic, but to keep them quiet and out of our hair.

In other words, we have created this little slice of Hell through leading by shining example, and only have ourselves to blame, now and when this group breeds and brings up their sprogs.

Do I have a solution?  No - I'm just reviewing the road as to how we got here IMHO.

So to the train...and the lack of responsibility.  The young passenger refused to take responsibility for either not buying a ticket, or buying the wrong ticket.  He then exercised his lack of respect for the conductor, the passengers on the train and those on any train following it by becoming entrenched and abusive.  Finally, when someone stood up and assisted the conductor to remove the problem, the young passenger repeatedly fought against it rather than accepting the authority of the conductor.  He was not thrown from the train.  When he was only injured when he fought several people in an attempt to re-board the train and unfairly ride without paying.  My opinion is he deserved and actively earned his own injuries, as well as the disgust of the public.

(There is no evidence that police would be available if he was allowed to continue, so we cannot speculate as to whether or not they should have been called or indeed would have responded.)

If he does pursue a case for damages against the big man, I doubt any judge would find in his favour based on that video and the testimony of others present.  I should think the rail company would also pursue him for having no ticket as well.

Sometimes life's most memorable lessons are the most painful ones too.  I believe he earned that lesson - whether he learns something good from it is another matter.

Well said Cpn.

Now how do we persuade the reast of the polulation that there little treasure/s is/are out of control and need to be told how to behave and become decent citizens , toe the line , as it were  

[V 8]

Vote UKIP

[Nick Algar - Competition Secretary]

Having started this discussion to aid snack food sales, I'll now wade in with am opinion no one cares about - as usual!

"We" as a society have raised a generation of young adults who have little or no respect for authority, and no idea about taking responsibility for their own actions.  We have done this by providing an environment which delivers instant gratification of wants (which are mistaken for needs) without any work being performed to earn it, and failing to provide a structure and framework of order and discipline.  We have then compounded it by rewarding the children in order not to instil a work ethic, but to keep them quiet and out of our hair.

In other words, we have created this little slice of Hell through leading by shining example, and only have ourselves to blame, now and when this group breeds and brings up their sprogs.

Do I have a solution?  No - I'm just reviewing the road as to how we got here IMHO.

So to the train...and the lack of responsibility.  The young passenger refused to take responsibility for either not buying a ticket, or buying the wrong ticket.  He then exercised his lack of respect for the conductor, the passengers on the train and those on any train following it by becoming entrenched and abusive.  Finally, when someone stood up and assisted the conductor to remove the problem, the young passenger repeatedly fought against it rather than accepting the authority of the conductor.  He was not thrown from the train.  When he was only injured when he fought several people in an attempt to re-board the train and unfairly ride without paying.  My opinion is he deserved and actively earned his own injuries, as well as the disgust of the public.

(There is no evidence that police would be available if he was allowed to continue, so we cannot speculate as to whether or not they should have been called or indeed would have responded.)

If he does pursue a case for damages against the big man, I doubt any judge would find in his favour based on that video and the testimony of others present.  I should think the rail company would also pursue him for having no ticket as well.

Sometimes life's most memorable lessons are the most painful ones too.  I believe he earned that lesson - whether he learns something good from it is another matter.

I'm with you Cap't

Hopefully if this ever does get to court a Politition or 2 will get behind the Big guy and get it chucked out.

Until the balance of Rights to reponsibilty gets corrected back to where they are more equal we will continue to see these issues.

They all seem to know their Right's but none of them think they have any reponsibility.

I am proud to be able to say that at least my 3 kids go some way to redressing that balance.

[JeffC]

sorry but that to me (as per my reply in steve D"s thread) pretty much sums up the youth of today, Its a complete lack of respect, I would never have spoken to an elder like that at that kids age, if the kid had consequences for his actions he would maybe think twice .

Its easy to point the finger at parents  I would really like to think ive brought my kids up with respect and at home they would never speak to me or to anyone else in front of me like that , I think my kids aptitudes changed when they went to the bigger school and got in with different friends and after speaking to teachers I was shocked to hear what my kids come out with at school and what teachers have to put up with.  

I think all this started when schools took away the cane, if discipline and respect is taught from an early age we wouldn't have these situations,  we would never dare disrespect an elder for fear of 6 of the best across our back ends  

oh and bring back hanging while we are on  

[Norman Verona]

Whilst I agree with all the Cap't says I still maintain it's not for the public to get involved in this type of incident. What if the youth had pulled a knife and seriously injured or killed someone?

The point I make is that the proper authority should have been summoned. Now, I know that that is a waste of time as the Police (civil or transport) just wouldn't have turned up in time.

But that's the point I make. We should be able to summon assistance from the police in a timely manner when these situations arise. The fact we can't is why the big fella got involved.

It's not to do with Parliaments legislation, it's to do with the way our duly elected Government spend our tax money. We can spend billions on a war half way around the world that most of us know is a waste of time and should never have been embarked upon but can't spend enough at home to ensure law and order.

As for the reason we have kids like this (please remember they are a minority - many kids, the majority, have been raised properly are hard working at school and university and get good jobs) is because, in HMs considered opinion  they are left to their own devices because the parents are too busy doing other things.

HM was at home with our kids until they went to senior school. And then she was back from work when they got home. She never hit them but controlled them with eyes and voice. We have two very successful children who have never been in trouble and are a credit to her.

As for me, I just left it to her.

[echoz]

If you're big enough to have a big mouth, then you get what you deserve, what my oldman taught me, in all fairness to the big bloke, i was amazed at the calmness he showed, especially when the numpty tried barging back on for a second time, would have found it hard to not follow him off the step the second time with me knee aiming suspiciously towards his face

It gets boring seeing danglers like that on youtube/on the tele/in the paper almost daily, making it all the more harder for people his age to have a chance.

mob rule or not, everytime someone like the big guy who did everyone a favour, gets punished, another 10 people will get angry, and eventually those tens turn to hundreds, hundreds to thousands, and then maybe just maybe, there might be a future for this pathetic island we call home

oh and just to add to the cane/hanging sentiments, bring back the lobotomy, should fix a few things, and take that Jeremy Kyle clack off the tele, stop putting them on a pedastool, to many idiots worship there retarded behaviour....

[Nick Algar - Competition Secretary]

He's only 8, recently there was a spot of bullying going on at the school. The teachers and playground supervisors were being implausibly liberal about the whole thing and it was getting out of control.

After my lad had come upset a couple of times my wife (who is also unfeasibly liberal), kept up the mantra of,,,"Just go and tell the teacher if someone hits you."....

Grrrrrr..     I was ******' seething and had to do something about it.

I sat down with Josh and we had a good long chat about bullies and how they were just stupid cowards who pick on people just to get some attention. I told my lad in no uncertain terms that if the bully started with him he was to ignore the advice of his Mom and teachers, and follow the advice of his Dad and keep punching the bully as hard as possible in the face until the bully was helpless. ...My instruction to him, (as it was to my now grown up daughters was that "We never start fights, but we always finish them.."  

Anway the following Friday wifey got called into school to see the headmistress. She sat down and was told how Josh had lamped the bully back good and proper and made him cry and his nose bleed profusely....

According to Mrs L, Josh's response as to why was....

"My Dad said the only way to sort a bully out is to teach them a lesson good and hard, so I did. I just did what Dad told me..."    

Good for you Dave. As you say he should not have had to do it, but at least it's now sorted.

[echoz]

* applauds LippyDaves story* justice at last The teacher gets told 3 times and then the law shall be taken into ones owns hands