ScotRail Fare Dodger

[windy]

Community policing is free in Scotland don't you know.

[perksy]

To be fair to the Big fella he didn't do anything more than night club bouncers do up & down the country on a daily basis    

Also he did ask the conductor if he wanted the youth off the train    

[Martin Keene]

you know i never thought this place was full of guardian readers. CC you should sell tweezers also so people can get the splinters out of their a**es while sitting on the PC fense.

well done that man. hope it doesnt come back to bite him. conductors get treated like s**t all the time for just doing their job. the kid should have bought the right ticket and was just trying to get away with it.

Spot on.  The fact that the big man might get in hot water over this is a perfect example of everything thats gone wrong with this country.  I would never have spoken to anyone like that kid did, now or as a child, because I knew what to expect - exactly what he got in this instance.   He knew exactly that he could say "what are you going to do" as he was protected by current stupid laws.

I am trying to bring up my Son to be repectful and to treat others as he would like to be treated.  But am I handicapping him for later life, where he will lose out in so many ways to people like this who are protected by the system they play so well?

It really makes my blood boil. He should have gone a step further and given him a slap round the chops.

Damn right...

Choose to break the law, you choose to have no protection by the law.

Simples.

[V 8]

Right or wrong, I'd have done the same thing.

[Matt Seabrook]

I dont think the lad got really hurt until he tried to get back on the train again after being thrown off. What a plumb if you ask me for trying to get back on again.

If I had done the same when I was 19 (I would not have as I was brought up better) my dad would have said it serves you right.

[deanoecosse]

Calling ahead to the next station with transport Police is the sensible thing to do and I would hope that is procedure.

If the next stop was Edinburgh where there are a number of transport police, then I'm sure thats what would have happened. However, this train was going the opposite way and the next stop (where the ned was due to get off) is a small unmanned station, so he would simply have walked away.

According to the guy who filmed it who was interviewed on TV today, the ned had been abusing the inspector for 5 minutes before the filming started and was asked 5 or 6 times to produce a ticket, but just fired out more abuse.

He was holding up a train of probably 100+ people, plus the knock on effect on following trains. If I was being delayed getting home to the pub/wife/kids after a hard week I would have been mightily pi**ed, so I'd congratulate the big man for having the balls to take action and eject the scrote.

This country is over run with Guardian readers and panders to little wasters like him far too often and are way too concerned about his "rights" while overlooking the victims. He gave up his rights to being treated nice & softly when he started abusing the inspector and he got everything he deserved although I would have given him a boot in the balls aswell for wearing a really terrible hat

[FILFAN]

The lad got what he deserved. He should now be fined for fare dodging.

Big man maybe should not have got involved but he was not violent and the reaction from the train passengers says it all.

[pistonbroke]

Perfect example of the curse of our modern PC society ,

Lets all just sit back and let a spoilt brat like that  rule the roost because he knows (or thinks he does ) full well he is untouchable and can do whatever he likes and get away with it  

We saw the same thing in the London riots where "kids" were trashing the city and no -one , not even the police dared touch them in case of reprisals .

The big man should be knighted IMO for doing the right thing and evicting the little scrote from the train .

society has gone bonkers  

[adamnreeves]

you know i never thought this place was full of guardian readers. CC you should sell tweezers also so people can get the splinters out of their a**es while sitting on the PC fense.

well done that man. hope it doesnt come back to bite him. conductors get treated like s**t all the time for just doing their job. the kid should have bought the right ticket and was just trying to get away with it.

Spot on.  The fact that the big man might get in hot water over this is a perfect example of everything thats gone wrong with this country.  I would never have spoken to anyone like that kid did, now or as a child, because I knew what to expect - exactly what he got in this instance.   He knew exactly that he could say "what are you going to do" as he was protected by current stupid laws.

I am trying to bring up my Son to be repectful and to treat others as he would like to be treated.  But am I handicapping him for later life, where he will lose out in so many ways to people like this who are protected by the system they play so well?

It really makes my blood boil. He should have gone a step further and given him a slap round the chops.

"Children's Charter"

[RedditchJay]

and all caught on camera for the world to see........

[Norman Verona]

I'm not a Guardian reader, nor a Daily Mail one for that matter.

The incident shows how the lack of being brought up to know right from wrong and have respect for others is bringing the country into mob rule. The lad should have been arrested and charged with theft (isn't that what fare dodging is?).

Of course it also shows the consequences of lax policing/jurisdiction. But that's mainly down to saving a penny here so the rest of us pay a pound there.

[lippydave]

Sooo,

The punk kid gets on the train without a valid ticket, is abusive and aggresive to the train guard, swears  profusely in front of kids and women, (who have paid to use the service), refuses to leave the train and yet at the time of this posting 6 people have voted that he was a victim of "over reaction"....    

He was a victim of his own self-centred chavite Jeremy Kyle culture belief hat he has no responsibility to the rest of society....

He is lucky he didn't get a broken jaw at least....

I would love to sit in session at the court when they inevitably go grubbing for compensation...

Judge Lippy's summing up notes:

Rather than whining like indolent, grasping , selfish, small minded, low grade compensation grasping scumbags , his parents should be hanging their heads in shame that they gave raised such a selfish, oafish, inconsiderate, ignorant, stupid little p***k.....

In fact the court should consider sterilisation of the ****ey wee ned to help prevent any further degradation to an already scum infested bloodline.....Now p*ss off...

     

[Norman Verona]

Problem is Dave, that the court will award him compensation and the "big man" may well end up getting prosecuted for assault,

The correct way to deal with the little scroat was to have a policeman waiting at the next station and he should have been arrested, taken to court and given a heavy fine, which, if not paid on the spot should mean 7 days in prison.

I've heard many policeman refusing to collect a scroat to return to court because the community service/fine wasn't done/paid. The comment was "We brought him to you once and we could have told you he wouldn't pay his fine/do his service so why should we do it again."

I fully understand the guards and big mans actions, I would have probably knocked the little toe-rag senseless But it's wrong, it's vigilante/mob rule. We should have sufficient back up from the police/courts.

But, of course, that may cost more of our money.

[CedricTheBrave]

Problem is Dave, that the court will award him compensation and the "big man" may well end up getting prosecuted for assault,

The correct way to deal with the little scroat was to have a policeman waiting at the next station and he should have been arrested, taken to court and given a heavy fine, which, if not paid on the spot should mean 7 days in prison.

I've heard many policeman refusing to collect a scroat to return to court because the community service/fine wasn't done/paid. The comment was "We brought him to you once and we could have told you he wouldn't pay his fine/do his service so why should we do it again."

I fully understand the guards and big mans actions, I would have probably knocked the little toe-rag senseless But it's wrong, it's vigilante/mob rule. We should have sufficient back up from the police/courts.

But, of course, that may cost more of our money.

In the real world Norm!

[lippydave]

Problem is Dave, that the court will award him compensation and the "big man" may well end up getting prosecuted for assault,

The correct way to deal with the little scroat was to have a policeman waiting at the next station and he should have been arrested, taken to court and given a heavy fine, which, if not paid on the spot should mean 7 days in prison.

I've heard many policeman refusing to collect a scroat to return to court because the community service/fine wasn't done/paid. The comment was "We brought him to you once and we could have told you he wouldn't pay his fine/do his service so why should we do it again."

I fully understand the guards and big mans actions, I would have probably knocked the little toe-rag senseless But it's wrong, it's vigilante/mob rule. We should have sufficient back up from the police/courts.

But, of course, that may cost more of our money.

I know what you're saying Norm, but it's all horribly wrong.

Firstly what should he be compensated for?

He was illegally on a train, and caused a ruckus when asked to alight.

A public spirited chap waded in and helped the guard escort him to the exit...

The current government keeps banging on about "the big society", well surely this was a perfect example of "the big society" in action. A public spirited chap helps out his fellow travellers by ejecting a rowdy illegal passenger from the train...

Public spirited and also in these cash strapped times, a simple idiot is dealt with without the need for involving the police, thus freeing them up to do something more useful.....A win, win if you ask me..