Captain Colonial Posted December 14, 2011 Posted December 14, 2011 Snack food sales are very low, so time to start a good thread! You may well have already seen this video (some NSFW language): As per the title, who was in the right in this instance? Vote now! Quote
XTR2Turbo Posted December 14, 2011 Posted December 14, 2011 who would want that bloke's job? The Kid is in the wrong. We don't know the conversation before but I thoughtt the conductor handled it badly from this clip. He should have said get off now or I'll ask the train to progress and you will be arrested when we arrive. I have had this on trains. Normally they just call ahead and at the next station a couple of transport police get on and make an arrest. Better than to create a potentially dangerous scene like this. I think the 'Big Man' could have shown support and persuasion before getting physical. Quote
jeff oakley Posted December 14, 2011 Posted December 14, 2011 If you read the details from the parents they admitted he had the wrong ticket (claimed he was sold the wrong one by Scot rail) but want the guy who aided an old man who was the conducter against a foul mouthed drunk. If he was my son there would be nothing but an apology from my son to everyone else involved expected, but in this day and age no doubt they will charge the big guy and let the scumbag student apear on big brother! Quote
RedditchJay Posted December 14, 2011 Posted December 14, 2011 watching the video couple of concerns here.... 1} the BIG man should not have got involved 2} the BIG man pushed the young lad quite hard infront of a mother and her very young kids... however the young lad should have purchased a valid ticket BUT should have been removed with LESS force IMHO, perhaps by rail police ?? Quote
Paul Hurdsfield - Joint Manchester AO Posted December 14, 2011 Posted December 14, 2011 Did the kid have the wrong ticket we dont know, if the kid is a regular traveller on that train he knew he had the wrong ticket. When he got pulled he behaved like a typical (not all) stroppy teenager, he swore in front of young children and generally made a nuisance of himself, making lots of other passengers on the train late. IMO he got a valuable lesson in life. The young children got a valuable lesson also, they learned that when your a teenager if you swear in front of women and children and make a nuisance of yourself, one day someone bigger than you will teach that it's wrong. Quote
Buzz Billsberry Posted December 14, 2011 Posted December 14, 2011 This was discussed on Jeremy Vine on Radio 2 for a good while yesterday. and have to say the guard should have just radioed a head got the Transoport police to get the youff off but sometimes the only way to sort thinks out is a stern action so for me it was 50/50 sitting on the fence! Apartenly the abuse to the conductor before it was filmed was extreme...the guy shouldn't have to take that sort of aggression at work Buzz Quote
adamnreeves Posted December 14, 2011 Posted December 14, 2011 Calling ahead to the next station with transport Police is the sensible thing to do and I would hope that is procedure. So the conductor probably did not follow procedure and is therefore in the wrong. I can understand the big man's reaction but he was taking the law into his own hands and did use excessive force. I suspect that he is liable for common assault or actual bodily harm. Therefore the big man is in the wrong also. That said, I'd probably get involved and try and reason with him first and then when that failed, and it would be the looks of it, then eject him off the train Quote
RedditchJay Posted December 14, 2011 Posted December 14, 2011 I can understand the big man's reaction but he was taking the law into his own hands and did use excessive force. I suspect that he is liable for common assault or actual bodily harm. Therefore the big man is in the wrong also. Adam spot on.... in the eyes of law the big man has laid hands on the student and has caused assault, he could have charges pressed very easily. Quote
perksy Posted December 14, 2011 Posted December 14, 2011 Hmmm looks like the youth has now made a complaint CLICKY HERE Anybody else see a claim for compensation in the distance Quote
XTR2Turbo Posted December 14, 2011 Posted December 14, 2011 he'll have no win no fee lawyers lined up to take on his case. Makes my blood boil .. Quote
Cornwallfrank Posted December 14, 2011 Posted December 14, 2011 Im afraid I'm a bit on the fence here as well, but its our own fault, the "what can you do to me" attitude stinks and needs to be dealt with,and we have let that go for others for too long, maybe the actions of the big man where over the top, but what was the alternative! Could there/would there have been police at the destination station, or would it have been another brag to his mates. I'm guessing as far as police are concerened, and probably rightfully so, there are more important things to deal with than a fair dodger Quote
CL290005 Posted December 14, 2011 Posted December 14, 2011 Even though I agree that the big bloke was perhaps using excessive force in this day and age. If the lad knew what he had done which is basically breaking the law then he should face any consequence, When I was a lad you would have got more than that. If you complained then you would have got far worse at home! The biggest injustice because he was filmed then he will probably have a case for compensation Quote
dombanks Posted December 14, 2011 Posted December 14, 2011 you know i never thought this place was full of guardian readers. CC you should sell tweezers also so people can get the splinters out of their a**es while sitting on the PC fense. well done that man. hope it doesnt come back to bite him. conductors get treated like s**t all the time for just doing their job. the kid should have bought the right ticket and was just trying to get away with it. Quote
brindle Posted December 14, 2011 Posted December 14, 2011 you know i never thought this place was full of guardian readers. CC you should sell tweezers also so people can get the splinters out of their a**es while sitting on the PC fense. well done that man. hope it doesnt come back to bite him. conductors get treated like s**t all the time for just doing their job. the kid should have bought the right ticket and was just trying to get away with it. Spot on. The fact that the big man might get in hot water over this is a perfect example of everything thats gone wrong with this country. I would never have spoken to anyone like that kid did, now or as a child, because I knew what to expect - exactly what he got in this instance. He knew exactly that he could say "what are you going to do" as he was protected by current stupid laws. I am trying to bring up my Son to be repectful and to treat others as he would like to be treated. But am I handicapping him for later life, where he will lose out in so many ways to people like this who are protected by the system they play so well? It really makes my blood boil. He should have gone a step further and given him a slap round the chops. Quote
GreigM Posted December 14, 2011 Posted December 14, 2011 Calling ahead to the next station with transport Police is the sensible thing to do and I would hope that is procedure. Sorry, but these parasites are the scourge of Scotrail, fare dodging is seen as a passtime/right by these neds. BTP are useless and take an hour to arrive at best. I've been on a few trains where the train has to stop and wait for BTP to eject a fare dodger, screwing all the passengers and every train behind it for hours - literally one little cretin's selfishness holds up tens of thousands of people for hours. Well done to the big guy for standing up for common decency - he should be applauded. Its about time the country stood up to these selfish morons. Quote
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