jeff oakley Posted July 24, 2011 Posted July 24, 2011 The sad thing is that the headlines that are listed are all shocking, but to a large part of the UK the fact that she was a star made then feel that they knew her personally as they knew more about her than they did their own family. It makes me angry that the mass of the public see something happening far away does not involve us but her death somehow does. Her family tried hard to get her clean with her father encouraging people to not buy her records and starve her of cash, to no avail. self inflicted it may be but still a tragedy for her family just as much as those in the other headlines. Quote
carpetstu Posted July 24, 2011 Posted July 24, 2011 As compassionate human beings should we be unsympathetic to a young woman losing her life, to bad choices and ultimately self distructing ? Personally I am sad that such a young woman has lost her life, even if it was her own doing? As Steve says she may not have died from an overdose, but it doesn't matter what caused her death, the result is the same! People do stupid stuff, a lot of the time we get the chance to learn by the mistakes and not repeat them. Some are not so fortunate, especially with addictions. She is a silly girl who has paid the ultimate price for a stupid habit but it's a sad day for society if we can't show compassion ? Quote
echoz Posted July 24, 2011 Posted July 24, 2011 A selection of some other headlines this morning... Norway youth camp attack kills 85. Dozens die in China train crash. Five killed at US skating rink. Famine to be declared in Somalia. Mass burial for Malawi protestors. All of the people involved in the above had families who loved them too, and I suspect none of them were set on a self-fulfilling, self aggrandising, publicity seeking, self-inflicted demise played out to a gloating media circus.. So my point is yes, it's a shame when anybody dies, but just because you can warble a tune doesn't mean your death has any more significance than any other.... A little more global perspective and sense of responsibility required by the media and the sheep who digest their reportage without questioning it is required IMNSFHO.... not caring for her death, and showing condolences for her family and friends are 2 different things, i really feel for her family and close friends, who spent hours days weeks months trying to help her, for her to throw it all in their face and carry on with her activities, she had no respect for herself or her closest loved ones, why should anyone show her respect. I think the timing of it all hasn't helped, half the crowd are saying rest in peace amy, you will be missed, the other half are saying feck amy winehouse, what about all the poor souls that have died due to no fault of their own this week.... i find it hard to show sympathy for those that poke death in the face with a big stick. and to top it off, not only was her dad the last to find out, and now has to live knowing his daughter died, he will now also blame himself soley for it, and most likely become dead inside, ive seen it happen to a close friends family, it aint nice, it ruins lives, as shown here... Quote
Fat Albert Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 I wonder how many of Amy's mates have yet to wake up to the news? Quote
Vinny's Westie Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 I wonder how many of Amy's mates have yet to wake up to the news? Probably had a party to 'rejoice' in her life !!! No time for stupid people who throw the most important things aside like the're replaceable. The way the media hype it all up makes it seem acceptable to be on drugs, should report on the effects it does not just how 'wonderful' she was. Quote
Dibby Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 Lost a mate last year after a sudden spiral of drink and post natal depression, one of the nicest girls you could meet and the last person you would think of to suffer from a hint of alcohol abuse after some sucessful triathlon results. I feel sorry for her and her family because I knew them and still can't listen to Metallica's Nothing Else Matters after her funeral. ... But, I can't muster up any sorrow for Winehouse, people all over the country die from substance abuse without celebrating it publicly as a showpiece to gain publicity in the way her and Docherty used drugs for those droopy eyed 'candid' photoshots outside nightclubs. I can't feel sadness for her because she's famous while ignoring the thousands of others non famous addicts that will die this year. Saying we're saddened by her death is a jumping on the public opinion bandwaggon, nobody knows her personally. I care about Winehouse as much as anyone else cares about my mate Anna. You lot didn't know Anna and I don't expect sympathy, our little biking community and mates showed our respect and love to her family but complete strangers pretending to be concerned is all a bit false. Quote
jeff oakley Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 I don't know who it was on here that said we should feel some sympathy, but they were right. If we have reached the stage when any death, be it for a drug user or a nun, can be dismissed is very sad. I understand how people can say "she had it coming" and they are correct, you only play with fire so long before the flames engulf you, but does that not solicit some sympathy. There will be many people on this boardroom who have had family or personnal expericance of addiction, they will understand how people can only be helped if they want it themselves, clearly she got to a place so dark that for her the only way out was death. I did not know her or like her singing, but it is clear her father did every thing he could to help her as did others, they have my deepest sympathy as even though everyone will tell them they have nothing to reproach themselves for inside they will feel that hard to believe. Your friend Anna's death was just as tragic for all who knew her, just because I did not know her would not make my sympathy for Family and friends any less genuine. What I find so bad is that we have on every radio, tributes to her, and someone will now make a fortune out of her and her memory, they are still doing the same with Elvis, Micheal Jackson ad infinitum. If any kids are put of drugs by this then some good may come out of it. Quote
carpetstu Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 I don't know who it was on here that said we should feel some sympathy, but they were right. If we have reached the stage when any death, be it for a drug user or a nun, can be dismissed is very sad. That was me The facts ... well according to the media over the years. She was young and in a lot of trouble with drugs... Oh and she was a singer in the public eye. What we don't know. Why she started taking them? Why she was so messed up that her Dad couldn't get her back on track? Who gave her her first fix and why? Was it a stupid experimental stage that got so far out of control it spiraled ? Did her job encourage her stupid addiction ? It certainly helped with the availability of funds! Are drugs well renowned in the music and fashion industry? We know the answer to that! Have lots and lots of other people taken drugs in the industry? Again we know the answer, Yes. Are some fanatically respected despite their habits.... Again yes! Ozzy Osbourne and his kids plus his wife was an alcoholic, for one example. Mind Ozzy did bite the head off a Bat so he got an extra gold star for that one Amy Witehouse killed her self not someone else, she was stupid and wasted a fantastic opportunity to live a fantastic life with fantastic money. It's sad on so many levels. She paid the ultimate price for messing with fire. Edit to add - I totally agree she isn't an should not be portrayed as a role model and be put on any pedestal by the media. Her death should be portrayed in graphic detail of how not to live your life, then her death is not in vain or encouraging kids to follow the same path! Quote
Stuart Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 By 'eck there's some sour views on here at times. Poor girl made some very bad choices in life but that can happen to anyone. She was 27 goodness me and a lot younger than that when her talent brought her fame and fortune and all the nastiness that comes with it. Not her fault the press choose to big up her death rather than Norway etc. That they know the cult of fame sells more papers. Sad reflection on our society, yes. Jimi Hendrix, Curt Cobain, Janis Joplin, Brian Jones, Jim Morrison all died at the same age and for very similar reasons. Just makes me sad that the people around these talented young people weren't able to prevent such a waste. Can't understand anyone being vitriolic about it. Quote
Nick Algar - Competition Secretary Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 It seems to be something to do with exceptional artistic talent. Been going on for hundreds of year's, look at the artists who died various addictions over the years. Almost as if when they are that talented they have a flip side personality. Sad she has gone, but not suprising. Quote
SteveD Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 i just hope this brings down her drug dealing manager ,who has contributed to her death ,he also manages pete doherty as well and he has had his fare share of drugs Quote
NikUK Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 Sad she has gone, but not suprising. I think that just sums it all up in a nutshell! Well put! IF and it's a big IF. IF anybody can learn from it then all the better. We can only hope! Quote
lippydave Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 By 'eck there's some sour views on here at times. Poor girl made some very bad choices in life but that can happen to anyone. She was 27 goodness me and a lot younger than that when her talent brought her fame and fortune and all the nastiness that comes with it. Not her fault the press choose to big up her death rather than Norway etc. That they know the cult of fame sells more papers. Sad reflection on our society, yes.Jimi Hendrix, Curt Cobain, Janis Joplin, Brian Jones, Jim Morrison all died at the same age and for very similar reasons. Just makes me sad that the people around these talented young people weren't able to prevent such a waste. Can't understand anyone being vitriolic about it. Not vitriolic Stuart, sympathy for the family, but to be perfectly honest , in my case more a huge dose of apathy and a mild dose of annoyance over the whole shambolic tale of her life.... Not proud of the fact, but it's just my feelings and my opinions vased on what I perceive. I can totally understand people having different views, and sentiments, everyone has that prerogative.... For example when I see tales of families dealing with stuff like leukemia, or the dreadful effects of famine in underdeveloped countries it annoys me that someone in a privileged position has p%ssed a life up the wall needlessly.. Sad, yes, but annoying, selfish and stupid too! (Especially when played out in the public eye...) Just my personal views, everyone is entitled to their own views, including druggies, wasters, do-gooders, saints, devils, and angels alike... Quote
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