nikpro Posted September 3, 2011 Posted September 3, 2011 goodness me boys, we have people everyday in jobs that make decisions that are not quite right , sometimes they get passed of as a mistake , sometimes over zealous , but do we really have to crucify those that are trying to help ALL of society live and let live , rather than live and let die If anyone here thinks they can apply the law in a better , more even handed , fairer and more accepted way then stop whingeing and go and do it. I've had a few run ins with up holders of the law , but is it a job I would do ...... no way ...... so it is put up or shut up I guess. some you win some you lose but generally the majority wins , and that is the point , MOST people benefit. Is there an 'applause' emoticon?
markcoopers Posted September 3, 2011 Posted September 3, 2011 For clarity, my post was tounge in cheek, I was very lucky with a very understanding pair of coppers when testing the motor, I know that. Clergy was very unlucky to be blamed for bad boy neons on a Westfield
nikpro Posted September 3, 2011 Posted September 3, 2011 Mr Nikpro sir (i know your name is fraz/ser but cant rmemeber for the life of me whether its a z or an s ), remember when people have a rant at the police, it isnt always your turn to defend them, when it comes to police, peoples opinions are high and strong. i used to spend a lot of time defending them to people who knew nothing, being that my dad is a PO, i finally realised its a waste of time, and that when it comes down to it, these nay sayers will be the first to ring you when there house is burgled, there mum is mugged, or there car vandalised, shame really. Trouble is when you see/read posts from the 'Bar Room Barristers' calling the Police 'Idiotic Jobsworths' and 'Plenty who are a law unto themselves' then continue to post about 'any body wish to deffend the Police now?' it really does 'raise my heckles'. Lets face it - the person who originally posted the above comments about the Police clearly doesn't understand the law he is posting such strong remarks about as he states 'He wouldn't accept it and take it to Court'; an option not available, and would preffer to be prosecuted and obtain a conviction for speeding rather than a warning. If you do not know/understand the Law (or any other matter) then you should not post about it IMO - you are giving 'miss information'? Clearly the reason behind the Posts, judging by the language used is to 'have a go' at the Police as it serves no other useful purpose? There are some '******s' in the Police who I don't like (they likewise probably think I'm an A*** as well!) and I would deal with situations differently to them but what they have done is not wrong; just different to me. As a Police officer I have a very strong sense of justice - if I read something that is plainly wrong/inaccurate then I feel obliged to respond - it's not just matters with respect to policing. If I feel that responses to a technical matter or any other Posts are wrong I will say so and reply to them - some people find my tone harsh because I speak my mind and say it as I see it - I'm sorry but that is my sense of right and wrong - I can't ignore things that I feel are unjust (I would like to think most people who uphold the Law on a daily bassis also feel this?). Our westfields are a minority interest and we need to step back from this at times and see how we are viewed by the majority of the Public who have no interest in cars - not just 'slate' the officers who are acting in the interests of the majority. I wasn't there/don't know the full facts surrounding the complaints of vehicles in the area - I don't know if the 'threat' of a section 59 notice was justified - all I would expect is a reply; as most people on this thread have done and avoid the 'Police -Bashing', in respect to what a section 59 notice is and possible reasons why it may have been used to the OP. .............Now that's a lecture (None of which is directed at you Echoz)
SteveD Posted September 3, 2011 Posted September 3, 2011 looking at this from the outside all i can say is the op admitted his car was load and he was also speeding amongst other things before being stopped ,he has freally admitted this ,also there had been complaints in the area of noisy cars etc ,so really there is no argument
samcooke Posted September 3, 2011 Posted September 3, 2011 Good god. Perfect sense from SteveD. I'm off for a lie down.
lippydave Posted September 3, 2011 Posted September 3, 2011 Good god. Perfect sense from SteveD. I'm off for a lie down. Indeed.... Where as I'm off fora shower, (and a p*ss...... )
SteveD Posted September 3, 2011 Posted September 3, 2011 Good god. Perfect sense from SteveD. I'm off for a lie down. Indeed.... Where as I'm off fora shower, (and a p*ss...... ) me to toodaloooo
jeff oakley Posted September 3, 2011 Posted September 3, 2011 The police have an impossible job really and there are good and bad in all walks of life. In the main my experiences have been okay with them, but I had one bad experience but that copper was a liar of the first order. The problem for the police is that the public has changed, when I was a kid coppers were genrally good and were respected for their position and authority. If a copper told you to do something you did it. Now there is hundreds of people with no respect born from an attitude that starts at home and is fostered by the media who relish the bad copper story. David Rathbone who was blinded by Raoul, a dignified man, but something has happened and he assaulted his wife so front page news. Did they not consider that he may well have mental issues now, of course not. I know many coppers who are good guy's they hate the ones who think they are judge Dredd just as much as anyone. Now as for section 59, it is a bad piece of legislation designed to appease those who don't like something. It is a far eaching piece of legislation which has blurred the space between police and the courts, where one officers opinion is able to dictate something it is wrong. A westfield that passed SVA at 105 decibles and is therefore legal, some officers can deem it illegal with no equipment as it is opinion based. This is not a good position for the public or the police.
nikpro Posted September 3, 2011 Posted September 3, 2011 Now as for section 59, it is a bad piece of legislation designed to appease those who don't like something. It is a far eaching piece of legislation which has blurred the space between police and the courts, where one officers opinion is able to dictate something it is wrong. A westfield that passed SVA at 105 decibles and is therefore legal, some officers can deem it illegal with no equipment as it is opinion based. This is not a good position for the public or the police. Jeff, 105 Db's is damned loud - it may be the limit that IVA/SVA was set to (?) but the number of trackdays that allow this limit are few and far between because it is considered by the majority as 'too loud'. (Why do we not get upset at the racetrack owners - our car is legal on noise?) However, just because the noise emitted from the exhaust is legal can you not see that if a person sits revving their engine or everytime they drive off they accelerate up to the red line it would be very anti-social and disturbing to the people living next door? There has to be legislation for this type of behaviour surely? Anti-social behaviour is Opinion based and not measurable! Anybody that has, in the past contacted enviromental health over 'noisy neighbours' will know what a long, drawn out path that route is - this legislation bridges that gap and if we can't trust the Police to enforce it how else can it be utilised? We can trust the Police with arresting someone which is a far greater decision as you are removing someones liberty for a period of time; surely we can trust them to issue a warning that the way someone is driving/using their car when they were stopped is anti-social? (If you can't then you might as well 'lobby' the removal of the Power of Arrest from a Police Constable)
adamnreeves Posted September 3, 2011 Posted September 3, 2011 Noise Limit for the IVA is 99dB at 3/4 power.
rocket_rabbit Posted September 3, 2011 Posted September 3, 2011 I must say that the only positive reaction I have ever received from the Police was in the Westfield at a petrol station. That too was late at night (11pm)and in a place called Festival Park in Stoke-On-Trent. For those of you that know that area, you'll know that there isa court injunction that PREVENTS 'cruising'. The grounds of what actually sanctions 'cruising' are a bit sparse - IIRC it's that two modified cars cannot be parked together or something. Complete bull5h1t, but it is what it is. So when I say that the two Police Officers were absolutely fantastic, I am not joking. We had a good chat with them and they were asking how fast it was 0-60 etc. They even offered me a race in their Focus Diesel which they said had 90bhp and could get 0-60....eventually! Seriously, I cannot hold these two blokes in higher regard. Bearing in mind that the other times I have had run in's with the Police, they have been complete tools with no logic. I was accused of racing (this time in my modded S2000) because a black BMW was hanging right off my bumper. The time was about 1am and I had just finished work. The engine was cold so I was never going to give it some. That and VTEC won't activate when the engine is cold so i'd have been 100bhp short. So i'm crusing along doing 60mph on a dual carridgeway, the BMW having blasted past, when a blues and twos appear behind me. I just carry on - after all, I haven't even booted it, not broken the speed limit, not driven erratically - i'm just going home from work. Copper in his Diesel focus pulls up alongside me and starts what looks like raving with his hands. Both hands are off the wheel btw and I am guessing he wants me to pull over. Ok then. So I pull off the dual carridgeway at the safest opportunity and pull into an Asda carpark. I park the car, get out, and wait for the Police to turn up. about a minute later, I see the Focus appear, so I signal to it where I am. He pulls up like Bodie & Doyle. To say he almost hit me would be a lie, but I did have to move out of the way. He positions his car to block me in. He gets out of the car - 'You were racing weren't you' Me - 'No' Officer 'Yes you were, that black BMW was behind you and I watched you' Me 'I am not responsible for other drivers' actions. I don't know who the BMW driver is, I have just finished work and I want to go home' What follows is me showing him the engine temperature gauge, explaining to him that if I was 'booting it' how did he overtake me in his Diesel POS Focus when I have 3 times his power, and that I have an exhaust on the car that makes it appear as if the car is going faster than it is - again, my car can rev to twice what his Focus can. After this, he seems more convinced, until his jobsworth gobby fat woman junior appears. After doing a license check, the Copper mentions about 3 points I have on my License. Gobby Fat woman officer chimes up 'Suprise suprise that you have points your license isn't it?' I've had enough at this point. The other officer had been fine dealing with me and had almost started to see the error of his ways after showing him plenty of evidence - a whole lot more than the reason he pulled me over for anyway. I asked her what driving qualifications she had and stated that her sarcasm was most unprofessional, as was her ability to draw pre-conceptions without weighing up the situation. I then asked her for badge number which promtly shut her up. The Original male copper finally agrees to let me go after saying 'Ok, i'm not going to impound you car, so you can go'. Yeah...fool. Impound my car for what exactly? And it turns out that he could have impounded it under Section 59. Section 59 was bought in to combat mini motos and people looning around on crossers and other silly 2 stroke machines. The Police have abused it and it's pretty much a 'Do what we like' clause because you cannot argue it and a Court won't listen to it. Worse, the section 59 is Vehicle dependant meaning you could have a car that you bought in the last 12 months that has a Section 59 already on it!! The only thing you can do is record whatever involvment you have with the Police because they lie, cheat, and abuse you like the best of them knowing that they can get away with it.
SteveD Posted September 3, 2011 Posted September 3, 2011 about time this thread was put to bed i think ,before it gets silly with police bashing again we would be f****d without them ,yes there are a few bad apples but il say it again we would be f****d without them ,they have to sometimes make split second decisions which cannot be perfect every time as they are only human like you and me ,they are normal people, s**t i even have some very very good freinds who are police officers and i even go out for a pint with em but lets move on eh its getting tedious now
housebeautician Posted September 3, 2011 Posted September 3, 2011 Any one who knows code word 'job' as in other terms the police is also 'job'! I might not be 'job' anyway...might just know a little about law! haha Dan Are you a traffic warden
Bob Green Posted September 3, 2011 Posted September 3, 2011 about time this thread was put to bed i think ,before it gets silly with police bashing again we would be f****d without them ,yes there are a few bad apples but il say it again we would be f****d without them ,they have to sometimes make split second decisions which cannot be perfect every time as they are only human like you and me ,they are normal people, s**t i even have some very very good freinds who are police officers and i even go out for a pint with em but lets move on eh its getting tedious now Totally agree.
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