Fat Albert Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Those that follow the sport will know that 3 races ago the FIA announced a new interpretation of the regulations covering off throttle engine maps, effectively banning off throttle engine exhaust blown diffusers Essentially, Red Bull have been dominating F1 for the past 2 & 1/2 seasons utilising a system which generates down force via the use of exhaust gases being blown over aerodynamic devices under the car (the diffuser). This year it became evident that the Renault engined cars had taken this concept to ludicrous proportions where, even when the driver took his foot off the throttle the engine continued to run at up to 90% fuel capacity solely to produce down force. Having had the FIA announced ban 6 weeks ago, Red Bull took no action until this morning, first practice at Silverstone, where they and the other Renault engined cars protested the FIA's action with Renault threatening to withdraw from F1. The FIA have caved in and are allowing the Renault cars to run with up to 50% fuelling off throttle while ENFORCING THE BAN on the other teams. The result will be between 0.5 and 1s per lap additional advantage to Red Bull. Though utterly pathetic on the part of the FIA the worst thing is the confirmation that Renault's Singapore GP action (where Alonso won as a direct result of his team mate deliberately crashing and causing an ideally timed safety car) and a string of similar prior actions were not isolated cases implying that they and their teams are rotten to the core Ban ALL EBDs by enforcing the 2012 exhuast regulations now, there is precedent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatbaldbloke Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 QUOTE they and their teams are rotten to the core I'm struggling a little with the logic here, are you saying that Red Bull Racing, because they run a Renault engine are "rotten to the core"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echoz Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 has to be said why are they protesting the rule change, deal with it so now everyone else has even less chance or catching the rbr boys, growing up and learning about behind the scenes stuff blows, i wanna be 10 again and just watch cars racing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Keene Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 What a f**king joke. Enforce the rule change or can it for everybody... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Colonial Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Yep, absolute farce. You may mock Indy Car racing and NASCAR and yellow flags and oval racing all you wish, and you will have some fair points, but at least they're racing as equals. F1 is a joke, and I've stopped watching it some time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pistonbroke Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 1st off I like jokes , this is a good one . the FIA are playing games , rules are decided and agreed pre season so why should they be changed mid season ? Ho! hang on , is not Jean Todt some big shot in the FIA , now he wouldnt have anything to do with that , would he Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenandmean Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 You may mock Indy Car racing and NASCAR and yellow flags and oval racing all you wish, an Never, NASCAR proper racing, fast, close and overtaking, everything you want in motorsport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidR Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 The FIA have caved in and are allowing the Renault cars to run with up to 50% fuelling off throttle while ENFORCING THE BAN on the other teams. The result will be between 0.5 and 1s per lap additional advantage to Red Bull. Can you indicate where this has been published please? As quoted here the statement appears to be a mix of two separate issues. Renault have always explained they need to run the engine with a large amount of throttle on overrun to help with exhaust valve cooling and thus provide FIA required reliability. They do not appear to inject fuel on overrun. AIUI Mercedes are the team that wants to inject fuel on overrun but that is banned by the rule change. I can find no reports (across about 6-7 F1 news sites) of what is quoted earlier giving Red Bull the advantage stated above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGF255 Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Well at least these F1 threads are more boring than the racing .... .... at least that`s some progress . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark.anson Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Renault have always explained they need to run the engine with a large amount of throttle on overrun to help with exhaust valve cooling and thus provide FIA required reliability. They do not appear to inject fuel on overrun. Exhaust valve cooling!!!! I wonder what page of the "book of plausable excuses thats on" Probably conveinient b*****k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveD Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Renault have always explained they need to run the engine with a large amount of throttle on overrun to help with exhaust valve cooling and thus provide FIA required reliability. They do not appear to inject fuel on overrun. Exhaust valve cooling!!!! I wonder what page of the "book of plausable excuses thats on" Probably conveinient b*****k. shhhhhhhhhhh dont tell everyone about the conveinient b*****k book wuv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs....at.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echoz Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 in fairness to renault tho, it is like theyve been penalised for having the best equipment, surely if yo udesign the best technology, you deserve teh reward? clearly what is needed is there to be discovered by the other teams to develop an as effective version for their own cars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richgm Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 http://bit.ly/rrt2Gs explains things in a more balanced way than some other articles I have read Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 QUOTE with up to 50% fuelling off throttle while ENFORCING THE BAN on the other teams. Nothing like an F1 thread to bring out no factual responses. All the teams can run either 50% no fueling of 10% with fueling on the overrun. Full marks to Renault for another inovative idea (mass dampers, TT driveshaft, etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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