Same s**t diffrent year

[housebeautician]

Welcome to England, soon to be a third world muslim police state,run on fear and fines.

blatman.........i believe i said the word SOON, not IS

We ARE already getting to the state were we are worried about saying anything in case we offend someone or are accused of racism if we do.

We already have a fine culture in this country, have a look round!

And as for the old bill try looking at the behavior of some of them on the telly and in the news. Does the law apply to them.HHmmmmmm

As for the muslims go and have a look up the smoke and see what you think then.

By the way, i have black and asian friends.

 I just dont think we should stand by and let these people take the pee out of us.

And as for the comment that leaving OUR country is an answer, i find insulting.

I am very pleased to see that people are kicking up about all this, it is long overdue.

This march is designed to cause distress to a lot of people,and should be banned instantly.

Go and fight for freedom in your own countries, cause you already have it here.

[Crazy Eddie]

Surely we have to be a little welcoming seeing as we invaded half the world

Only problem is that it then swings the other way for a bit and we over compensate that's all  

[Lurksalot]

Unfortunately Eddie, your views are far to mainstream, realistic and common sensical to wind up anyone, except those who wish to stir the issue further  

[pistonbroke]

Surely we have to be a little welcoming seeing as we invaded half the world

Only problem is that it then swings the other way for a bit and we over compensate that's all  

we weren't the first , others did better in fact, but that was rather a long time ago , hopefully things have moved on a little since  

[Blatman]

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As for the muslims go and have a look up the smoke and see what you think then.

Er, I'm a Londoner, born and bred and living in the smoke, so there's nothing you can tell me about living in a multi cultural society.

Also not sure why you think my comments are aimed at you specifically, but seeing as you've raised the question... Look at the police / extremist groups on TV? What for? You only get the very worst of this stuff on TV and in the media. The police, like muslims, have the problem of all being tarred with the same brush. Bit like Westfield drivers. There will be sections of society that see Westfield drivers as loutish selfish hooligans. Doesn't make it right. Take bikers. In The Sun, bikers are always "hells angels" or "leather clad" or "mad". Do you think I'm mad, leather clad or a hells angel, just 'cos I happen to ride a bike?

And as usual, when the pro's and cons of a particular discussion are broken down by others by use of examples, or basing the argument that is in principal the same, but using diferent protagonists, it's easy to see who fails to understand the examples that are being set and how to apply them.

As for the "if you don't like it, leave" question, what you're saying is, it's alright to say it to an immigrant, but not to someone who was born here?

Our country is NOT in any danger of becoming a third world muslim state. Not even close, despite what it might say in the Daily Mail. But IF it did, you can leave. So could I. In fact, I'd be behind you in the queue. I'm not a religious sympathiser, nor am I racist. I also feel quite at liberty to discuss religion and race without being branded a racist, so freedom of speech is alive and well. Where freedom of speech goes wrong is when people use their freedom of speech to be insulting or defamatory, and then claim that their freedoms are being eroded. That's not it at all, but again, freedom of speech is an often misunderstood privelige...

[Rob Navin]

Do you think I'm mad, leather clad or a hells angel, just 'cos I happen to ride a bike?

Not JUST because you ride a bike.

There are lots of other reasons as well          

[Blatman]

Do you think I'm mad, leather clad or a hells angel, just 'cos I happen to ride a bike?

Not JUST because you ride a bike.

There are lots of other reasons as well          

Thanks wuv

[lippydave]

I don't think that the right to free speech is being questioned here, rather, the location , timing and inflammatory intent of the proposed demonstrators......  

If they merely wish to illustrate a simple point, then why not hold their demo in say Bradford for example, rather than provoking the well intentioned people of Wooton Basset?

Could it possibly be that some ****headed political activist extremist is attempting to preach hatred, and antagonism (to the majority of the British Christian public who form the largest proportion of UK residents), and subvert others into his way of demonstration...Hmm, now let me see....

[housebeautician]

blatman........would like to point out that i did not think that your post was aimed at me, i was pointing out that in your first post you implied that i had said that the uk was a police state which i did not. But if you wish to change the content to suit your post please feel free.

I have two mates who are police officers who tend to agree with me.

I didnt know you had a bike and personally i dont give a toss what you drive or ride, but i was concerned that you read the sun newspaper and then take my comments out of perspective and assume that i read the daily mail.  

You may well think that my post was insulting or infamatory, i dont believe it was, freedom of speech allows me to have my opinion.

Opinions and views are developed from experience and life in general, mine are a great deal different from yours obviously.

As for the like it leave it bit, Yes that is what i am saying. If their own country dont suit them change that, dont come here and whine about mine because it dont suit.  

I look forward to continuing this post at the airport check in queue.

Would the last person to leave turn out the lights.  

[pistonbroke]

Do the above comments about "not being a plod state" apply to wales    

[John Loudon - Sponsorship Liaison]

Yeh - stop it Blatters or you will get banned  

[Blatman]

Perfectly illustrates my point by missing it by a country mile...

I don't read The Sun, or the Daily Mail. I do work in the media though. Have done for the best part of a quarter of a century, so I do understand the first rule of journalism which "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story".

The web site, and the individual behind it is deliberately choosing language and rhetoric to provoke the very reactions seen, and to get maximum exposure for minimum effort. When all's said and done, this was simply a statement of intent on a web site. IF he were to actually apply to the police for a permit to march, the police would *have* to consider the law. The law (Criminal Justice Act 1998 in combination with certain EU laws regarding the freedom to gather lawfully, I think...) says that we have the right to protest (lawful gathering). But the same law also states that if there is significant risk of civil disturbance then the police are within their rigths to ban *any* protest march or gathering. I suspect common sense would prevail, and this will all end up being a storm in a tea cup.

That doesn't detract from the fact that this proposed protest march is an abhorrent gesture, but at the same time, if all the right boxes are ticked and applications granted, he has every right to hold his protest. That's the freedom that "we" as a nation have been fighting for for centuries. Only those who don't understand that democracy brings with it a certain price start shouting about being over run by [insert religion/race here] or that this country is going to the dogs etc etc. We aren't being over run by religion, race, or liberal do gooders, nor are we going to the dogs. If we really really were, I'd leave... And as much as I dislike the current government for all sorts of reasons, they wouldn't let this country be over run by anyone. No government has before, and no government will in future.

[pistonbroke]

A cross-section survey of 1000 people in Bradford , made up of Afghans, Albanians, Pakistanis, Indians, Poles, Iraqis, Somalis, Bosnians, Turks, Moldovans, Latvians, Lithuanians, Bangladeshis, Ethiopians, Russians, Congolese, Zimbabweans, Portuguese and Nigerians were asked if they thought Britain should change its currency to the Euro.

                 

99.9% said No    

They were quite happy with the Giro  

[James]

We aren't being over run by religion, race, or liberal do gooders, nor are we going to the dogs.

All in YOUR opinion of course

So you think its right that someone residing in this country and enjoying all the benefits of the country should have the right to protest against the country's actions which by there nature are securing the very freedom which that person currently enjoy's and this in a sensitive geographical area

As I said this isnt about freedom of speech or religous beliefs this is about right and wrong!

Personaly I wish religon didnt exist on any level as it only serves to divide people.

[echoz]

Blatman makes many valid points

However I think everyone is getting dragged into the racial/religion battle. Everyone is forgetting that the main reason of anger is due to the location, personally i from that site they are marching for the same reason as everyone else, to protest the war and to remember the fallen soldiers.

Where they seem to have gone wrong is in the wording on that particular site, which if I remember correctly is to say they're supporting all the fallen Muslim servicemen/woman. I myself spare a moment of thought and ref;lection whenever another soldier is killed, whether they're black white christian, muslim, sikh, buddha etc etc etc.

At the end of the day, I believe that to many people tarnish all Muslim people with the same brush, that the yare all terrorists scum. this of course is NOT the case and an erradication of all the people causing the hate would probably help the situation just as much as erradicationg all the extremists.

For the record though, I'm 100% against this march, not because I'm racist, but because i feel it brings bad press to Wootten Bassett in general, a place that should be left as a living memorial for all service men/woman to be remembered.

End of the day it will either happen or it wont, and only then will we know what their intentions were.

My two pennies