adamnreeves Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 What a farce. Very disappointing. This really does illustrate how unfair the fine to McLaren was. I know the offenders have left but the company has to take responsibility. Quote
marcusb Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 Piquet IS the victim in all this, Sorry I think Piquet is the prat who followed orders and crashed his car endangering others Quote
mark.anson Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 Ultimatley I reckon it was done to keep Renault in F1. If they had been hit with a big fine they would have walked away and F1 would have been left with virtually the entire grid being powered by Ferrari and Merc engines and maybe the odd Toyota. Cant say im sorry to see the back of Briatore but it would have bad for F1 if Renault had walked away. I personally thought F1 was better when all the teams were privatley owned and the manuafacturers just supplied the engines and other support. Quote
KerryS Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 F1 would have been left with virtually the entire grid being powered by Ferrari and Merc engines and maybe the odd Toyota. Compared to some years ago when all but two cars were powered by Cosworth (Ford) ...... Quote
adamnreeves Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 Ultimatley I reckon it was done to keep Renault in F1. If they had been hit with a big fine they would have walked away and F1 would have been left with virtually the entire grid being powered by Ferrari and Merc engines and maybe the odd Toyota. Cant say im sorry to see the back of Briatore but it would have bad for F1 if Renault had walked away. I personally thought F1 was better when all the teams were privatley owned and the manuafacturers just supplied the engines and other support. Disagree. The FIA are there to administrate and control the sport. Once constructors can exert pressure on the FIA to influence decision making process unfairly then the existence of the FIA then becomes pointless. Quote
mark.anson Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 Disagree. The FIA are there to administrate and control the sport. Once constructors can exert pressure on the FIA to influence decision making process unfairly then the existence of the FIA then becomes pointless. Your right! But it would be nieve to think that it has'nt had an influence on thier decision. Quote
carpetstu Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 Touring car racing is much more fun anyway so sod F1 and the FIA! Quote
adamnreeves Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 Disagree. The FIA are there to administrate and control the sport. Once constructors can exert pressure on the FIA to influence decision making process unfairly then the existence of the FIA then becomes pointless. Your right! But it would be nieve to think that it has'nt had an influence on thier decision. Touche Quote
Guest Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 As they say, cheating is cheating only when you are found out! Now seems that cheating is not cheating if you either grass on your bosses (but only after you have done the deed and then they have failed to 'pay up') or find a suitable scapegoat to offload before the hearing. Trouble is that cheating in motorport is probably endemic (as in other sports) simply because there is not a single driver or team who would not take every advantage they can get. Somone's sharp practice, bending the rules etc is another's cheating. I am sure that Briatore and Symonds were simply taking a strategic view and planning their race accordingly I expect that Renault took the points and the cash that goes with it. Quote
Blatman Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 How would banning Renault have benefitted the 600 employees at Enstone, who were neither party to, or culpable for the actions of just three people? It may leave a bit of a nasty taste and I'm not sure justice has been done, but keeping those guys in work is surely something to applaud, even if it was by accident... Quote
Man On The Clapham Omnibus Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 There seems to be something of an inconsistency, though. Okay, banning would have consequential damage effects that ought to be avoided, but a large fine could have been more apparently just and the money used to the benefit of the sport. If Maclaren's alleged actions attracted a multi-million dollar fine it's hard to see why this didn't. Oh, and mornin' Blatters! How's the halo? Quote
Nick Algar - Competition Secretary Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 I just find the whole thing so sad. What was a great sport and a real specatle has been erroded away, by money and greed. Quote
FW500 Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 Alonso knew nothing ... riiiight.... Yeah that's about as believable as Hamilton knowing nothing about all the spying goings on. Quote
Buzz Billsberry Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 Unfortunately F1 is no longer a sport its a business and has been for a long time fair play doesn't come into it's about getting a 'bang for your buck' and that all important bottom line... commercialism rules & racing is just 'front of shop' get used to it & well said Blatman. Buzz Quote
Guest Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 QUOTE How would banning Renault I don't think banning Renault ever came into it as a punshment option. A suspended ban is a non punishment but looks good for form's sake. This is a business and the only realistic sanction is $$. However it is not the punishment or lack of that bugs me, it is the ongoing inconsistency of response that plagues the sport at the moment and, I hope, may be addressed under the new governance - but I won't hold my breath. Quote
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