F1 RACE

[pistonbroke]

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I agree it should be switched out for the 1st lap, has to be a safety issue if 2nd row cars have such on advantage on long start straights

Ha! yes , we musn't forget the safety issue , perhaps we should start the cars off one at a time in a nice orderly fashion for the next race  

[cast iron]

Couldnt disagree more about kers, it makes the starts more interesting, a muppet sailing across the grass and across the field has jak schit to do with kers.

I suppose your all for fluffy feet warmers incase they get their toes cold.  

If they crash off the start because they can't drive then thats the risk they take

[Scottish Bloke]

Have to agree with jeff, i'm not a fan of the kers watsit......

What have I done now    

[ludo]

and what about rubens,what a nice and well known feeling to be f*cked up by your own team to allow the team principal's favorite to win! lol

Thats b*****k Rubi was just slow on his second run in fact just under a second a lap and as Jenson has proved he can run consistanly fast on any tyre any condiions as long as he's got the right car under his butt. Rubi can over drive his cars and some cars jsut don't respond to over agressiveness or the curved ball a duff set of tyres

Buzz

had he been left on a 2 stopper rather 3 he would have been ahead of JB and would "probably" have finish in front of him for the simple fact that you can not overtake at barcelona bare special condition (ie pit outlap or such) as the massa/vettel duo shown.

[david.c]

You got that the wrong way round! They were both planned to be on a 3 stopper and Jenson was switched to 2. If Barichello had been as quick on his subsequent stints as he was on his 1st then he would have won.

David

[blankczechbook]

i am looking forward to seeing more kerrs, not less.

if formula one is to stay at the cutting edge then energy recovery must be the way to go.

anyone can see that classic brakes are ugly - wasting all that energy just grinding brake pads/disc away  -  urgh !

[brianm]

I agree it should be switched out for the 1st lap, has to be a safety issue if 2nd row cars have such on advantage on long start straights

Ha! yes , we musn't forget the safety issue , perhaps we should start the cars off one at a time in a nice orderly fashion for the next race  

And the alternative is???

More carnage like we saw Sunday on the Ist lap.

 

[ludo]

You got that the wrong way round! They were both planned to be on a 3 stopper and Jenson was switched to 2. If Barichello had been as quick on his subsequent stints as he was on his 1st then he would have won.

David

when they saw everybody was on 2 stops, they were leading by enough to still remain ahead, both cars could have been changed to a 2 stopper. RB was left on a 3 stopper only to protect them should any of the other team switch to a 3 stopper.

It could be discussed at length,but to me it is clear that brawn established who was his number one driver.

[Buzz Billsberry]

and what about rubens,what a nice and well known feeling to be f*cked up by your own team to allow the team principal's favorite to win! lol

Thats b*****k Rubi was just slow on his second run in fact just under a second a lap and as Jenson has proved he can run consistanly fast on any tyre any condiions as long as he's got the right car under his butt. Rubi can over drive his cars and some cars jsut don't respond to over agressiveness or the curved ball a duff set of tyres

Buzz

had he been left on a 2 stopper rather 3 he would have been ahead of JB and would "probably" have finish in front of him for the simple fact that you can not overtake at barcelona bare special condition (ie pit outlap or such) as the massa/vettel duo shown.

'Probably' is a word that doesn't working in motorsport and it does negate the fact that he was almost a second a lap slower on his 2nd stint. So if he had been on a two stopper he would have been passed by JB.

Qualifying and free paratice pace is one thing  race pace is another and the one thing jenson works on in all the free paractice sessions and sat morn worm up is race pace

As for over taking there's two places turn 1 and turn 14 on to the straight

[ludo]

how many overtaking during the race? 1s a lap faster in F1 is not enough to overtake anyone that decide to run defensive line, the new aero does not change that. he only overtaking you can see is fromguys with a Kers against non Kers. As for jenson button, he is a descent driver but not in the top 3 of current F1 driver as far as pace and car development skills.

you can argue all you want, the fact is, putting them on different strategies ensure button could overtake barichello witouht doing it on the track. When is the last time 3 stops was used at barcelona to win a race?

[DavidR]

As far as I can see there are two key points in the discussion of how Barrichello "lost" the race.

1. If Jenson had stuck with 3 stops he would have come out of the pitstop behind Rosberg and got stuck just like Vettell was behind Massa. So it was good tactics to maintain track position behind barrichello.

2. Barrichello was between 0.5 and 1 sec slower per lap on his last set odf soft and the hard tyres than he needed to be, slower than he had been in the first two stints, and slower than Jenson. All in all , he didn't build the 10 sec advantage in the 3rd soft stint that he needed to regain the lead. He drifted back from Button who was driving faster.

Conspiracy theories are great but simple answers are easier.

David.

[peterg]

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He drifted back from Button who was driving faster

but Barry Kellar actually set the fastest lap of the race (on his first set of tyres) so it's not like he wasn't trying... maybe the tyres he got later in the race were not consistent  

[DavidR]

but Barry Kellar actually set the fastest lap of the race (on his first set of tyres) so it's not like he wasn't trying... maybe the tyres he got later in the race were not consistent  

I agree. He said as much in the drivers interview after the race

[pistonbroke]

had he been left on a 2 stopper rather 3 he would have been ahead of JB and would "probably" have finish in front of him for the simple fact that you can not overtake at barcelona bare special condition (ie pit outlap or such) as the massa/vettel duo shown.

I would like to bet JB could have overtaken his team mate.  

Barka   struggled with his tyres because he has a much more aggresive style and set his car up more agressive than than JB who is very smooth as we have seen .

Vettell couldnt pass Massa because Massa was using his Kers effectively. There is no doubt he would  have been a serious contender for the race win if he wasnt being held back by the slower ferrari for almost the entire distance .

The Kers thing adds some much needed variety in F1

but I think the rules as they stand favour the none Kers cars , a bit like when Renault brought the turbo cars on the scene,  the powers that be were terrified in case they ran away with every race victory so they were penalised initially .

I bet next season we will see Kers being standard kit in F1 once its sorted out .

As for Kers being dangerous off the startline , its no more dangerous than Say Hamilton or Kimi starting from the back of the grid .

The finest site in the whole sporting world bar none , is a Full blown no holds barred Grand Prix start,  with all the noise,  smells and hair raising drama .

Long may it live .

Those of us lucky enough to have had the great pleasure to watch a Live GP start will know what i am saying , Those who have not , get out and get a taste  for yourself before the safety police ruin this great sport of ours completley  

[fatbaldbloke]

The idea behind many of this year's rule changes was to enhance racing and encourage overtaking.  Kers was seen as an overtaking button, and therefore a good thing, notwithstanding green issues, etc.  Unfortunately in its present incarnation it's turned out to be an overtaking avoidance button, in that slower cars can use Kers to pull away on the straights and negate the main opportunity for overtaking which is slipstreaming and late braking into the corners, so depriving us of the overtaking it was supposed to encourage.  It's not in itself a bad thing, but needs tweaking to contribute to a better racing spectacle.