Owen9364 Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 We've got 54 plate 2.2CDTi Tourer that's done 80k, don't think it's had a clutch or flywheel changed though. Hopefully it'll stay that way at those prices! I would not worry , many have done well over 100,000k on the original clutch and still going Quote
jeff oakley Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 Dual mass flywheels are crap.If they do make a 'noticeable difference' then peugot cars with dual mass flywheels, if you order an OE replacement clutch kit from the dealer comes with a flywheel to binthe d/m , as they know how troublesome they are.The CTDi does not have a solid mass flywheel as a replacement, they wouldn't sell enough of them,so not cost efficient.Sadly Honda are supposed to be reliable, but we have had a few problems and will go back to an Audi Diesel when the time comes.................... They do make a huge differance, I have been to the LUK factory and seen all the data and driven cars with and without as I say if the manufacturers could get away without them they would. The reason that Peugot are supplying a 4 in one kit is simply cost. They figure that people will baulk at the £800-900 they charge for a DMF and outside of LUK there are only around forty DMF that Valeo do, none of which are Peugot. The reason they are needed is that as engine power has risen, block castings have become lighter the vibrations that were soaked up by heavy cast iron blocks were wearing bearings etc. they put a DMF on one end and a Torsional Vibration damper on the other end, the bottom pulley to take out the vibration. We supply all manner of kits which offer a solid flywheel alternative, but genraly these are for cars which have gone past 6 years old where the cost of a DMF and clutch will scrap the cars. The thing to do as always is shop around and ask questions and haggle on price, no harm in asking nicely is there Quote
a4gom Posted February 4, 2009 Posted February 4, 2009 we had the same prob with our saab garage wanted £700 about what the car is now worth being 12 years old ended up buying a new clutch for £85 and fitting it myself took me a day and a half had to take half the car apart just to remove gearbox i hate modern front wheel drive if i could go out and buy a brand new ford cortina or similar as family runaround i would clutch change couple of hours not everything in life is progress feel you're pain mate did the same on my saab last year. Quote
blankczechbook Posted February 4, 2009 Posted February 4, 2009 you might well find it is possible to swop to a petrol solid flywheel and std clutch..... but we've done a 5spd to 6spd gearbox swop on vw tdi engines and found that getting the wrong parts and you foul inside the bellhousing or starter issues and also possibly location of a crankshaft sensor can be affected. dig around on the net and you'd be surprised what info is out there. unless the flywheel is scored or wobbly i'd be tempted to leave it be as Jeff says.. haven't seen the special tool though so can't say if this is a DIY possible job.. good luck. Quote
Matt Seabrook Posted February 4, 2009 Posted February 4, 2009 Agree mostly with what Jeff has said only thing I would differ is that even without the tools to measure the play you can measure it for wear. We have fitted a few DMF and clutches now. We always get the same response from customers when we price them. Just had to price a Merc van clutch and DMF for a customer and fitted including VAT it came to just over £900 fitted. We will check the flywheel for wear and let the customer know what we find but I will always advise that the flywheel is replaced. This is due to the fact that while you can check for wear you cant predict a spring failing and this is quite possible in the life of the second clutch. We will get a customer to sign a disclaimer if they decide not to have the flywheel fitted after we have explained the whys and wherefores to them. That way if the flywheel fails we are not responsible for the cost of stripping the whole lot down again. We the consumer are pushing the technology by demanding more and more from our cars and then do a good job at complaining about the problems when we have to pay for them. Lets face it we have come a long way from a MkII Escort for a daily drive. I do wonder what would happen if they put something like a MKII escort back on sale again how many people would go out and by a underpowered, poor handling, uneconomic and noisy car or go and buy the car with all the toys on it and then complain about the repair cost. This is not a dig at you Cleggy as I do think you could get a better price than you have been offered. PM me your reg number and I will see if I can give you an idea of what we would charge as a guide price;) Edit to add dont fit a a one peace flywheel as you could end up needing a new gearbox if you do. Quote
Matt Seabrook Posted February 4, 2009 Posted February 4, 2009 Just had a quick check and if the £850 includes the flywheel thats a steel as the parts alone would cost me more than you have been quoted. Quote
Cleggy the Spyder Man Posted February 5, 2009 Author Posted February 5, 2009 Ok so heres the result Quoted £850 plus vat from main dealer Quoted just over £700 inc vat from Mr Clutch Quoted £570 inc vat from a local independent, they did however mention that if it needed a new dual flywheel that would be an extra £750... All have a 2yr or 20k warranty So looks like its worth shopping around Quote
Martin Keene Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 Ok so heres the result Quoted £850 plus vat from main dealer Quoted just over £700 inc vat from Mr Clutch Quoted £570 inc vat from a local independent, they did however mention that if it needed a new dual flywheel that would be an extra £750... All have a 2yr or 20k warranty So looks like its worth shopping around There isn't a barge pole long enough to touch Mr Clutch in Peterborough... Who was the independant? Quote
ljsanders Posted February 5, 2009 Posted February 5, 2009 mmmmm I better keep an eye on mine! I have a 06 plate Civic ICDTi with just under 50k miles on it thats going to run out of warranty next month. I've sworn blind I've had a slight amount of clutch slip once or twice under hard acceleration when going uphill, but I haven't been able to repeat it. Quote
melt Posted February 6, 2009 Posted February 6, 2009 QUOTE We will check the flywheel for wear and let the customer know what we find but I will always advise that the flywheel is replaced. Is this a new thing in car repairs "yes sir, the flywheel needs replacing". In all the years I have had cars (a very long time ) the only time when you replaced the flywheel was when you lightened it I must be getting old Quote
jeff oakley Posted February 6, 2009 Posted February 6, 2009 We will check the flywheel for wear and let the customer know what we find but I will always advise that the flywheel is replaced. Is this a new thing in car repairs "yes sir, the flywheel needs replacing". In all the years I have had cars (a very long time ) the only time when you replaced the flywheel was when you lightened it I must be getting old It is just a new design. Instead of having springs in the cover they are in the flywheel which then wears, its apparentlt called progress Quote
Cleggy the Spyder Man Posted February 6, 2009 Author Posted February 6, 2009 The independent was RM Motors Quote
JeffC Posted February 6, 2009 Posted February 6, 2009 who started a thread on clutches and cursed me had swmbo"s E90 beemer diesel remapped today with a strong setting (300bhp ish), 1st test drive third gear up the bypass and nailed it, hits 3k and revs round clutch slip priced a genuine clutch from BMW main stealers at £230 less 10% trade discount (sir you need to replace the flywheel when fitting a clutch kit ) I wont be and £100 (4 hours labour ) from the local Audi place i use for my sales cars to fit it whole job supplied and fitted will be circa £300 with the vat back Quote
ljsanders Posted February 12, 2009 Posted February 12, 2009 grrrrrr now my clutch slip seems much more noticable. 4th gear on a reasonable hill, 50mph, nail it, revs jump about 500-600rpm and then drop again. No clutch judder or anything though. Have also had it slip in 3rd,5th and slightly in 6th too. Typically around 2000rpm and then nail it. 2 months before the warranty runs out, only done 50k miles. Mostly all motorway. Just checked out the civic forums and its full of people with knackered clutches, some going as low as 18k miles and mixed stories of some getting warranty claims others saying tough S***, wear and tear. I'll be calling the honda garage tommorrow me thinks. b****y car has been nothing but a pain in the A*** since I bought it. Handbrake failure (known problem) causing 5k's worth damage to the boot, suspension clonks (been to the garage 3 times and still not sorted), and now this!! Definitely got a friday afternoon car. Quote
JeffC Posted February 12, 2009 Posted February 12, 2009 well I widh I had kept my ****** trap shut took car yesterday to get clutch fitted first time id driven it this week, clutch wouldnt slip at all , dipped it at full chat in 6th and no slip decided as it had slipped once it must be on way out so will get it fitted anyway garage phoned me yesterday, bellhousing is full of grease , 1st sign of flywheel fooked dealer only part and £800 got 10% discount but still brought a tear to my eye clutch was ok but fitting a new one anyway as gonna be using the car to tow for the next couple of years , so thick end of a bag of sand later QUOTE Jeff, noticed you picked up a 330d on another forum, what mileage is on it ? Just picked up a 330d manual with 60k on the clock and noticed a clutch judder when cold if use low revs, goes away if you use more revs or when the car is warm ?? Sound familar karl.. from what the mush at Bmw told me the judder 9/10 will be flywheel reckons they supply loads strangley mine was fine , if yours is under 3 years or 60k its a warrenty job, mine is 30,000 miles and 3 years and 2 weeks old Quote
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