Chav B*****ds

[JeffC]

thoughts with your family, from personal experience I got a good hiding as a lad of 15    got set on by about 10 lads for no reason ,It might not have been so bad but im hot headed and fought back in temper, end result was they  put me in hospital with concusion (knock on the head prob explains a lot      )   Parents took it quite bad at the time , Police called but nothing ever came of it   Still quite bitter 20 odd years down the line, still occasionally see one of the lads that bashed me , when ive driven past him and still get angry not sure what I would do If I bumped into him face to face ,pretty sure I would struggle to control my temper    

It now has me fearful of letting my kids go down the town on there own, my eldest lad of 12 wants to go down the street (2 miles away) on his own with his mates but I wont let him ,maybe we are being over protective but imho its a  s**t world we live in  ,not looking forward to when hes 17/18 and out drinking , and have 3 growing lads to worry about  

[jeff oakley]

Sorry to hear of your ordeal, but it is not unusual now, and why is that? Well in my opinion it is due to lack of parental control and of consequence. When I was a kid if coppers spoke to us it was a big deal one that got more trouble from parents once they found out. Yes we had fights but it was one on one not gangs of young guys who fight as a pack.

What is needed is a return to good old fashioned punishment of thugs, not understanding and a big hug, hard punishmnet that makes them think. Punishmnet that says to the victims that they count above the criminals.

[custardtart]

Sorry for you and the family, sadly as you can see, this has happened to a lot of people. The best thing is to move on although that is hard.

When we moved to a supposedly nice area of a city we weren't prepared for the gangs of kids that would arrive on busses from the sh*tier parts of the city and start drinking. They were a law unto themselves and the big thing they all had in common was a lack of "RESPECT" for anyone or anything.

Police were useless until we set up our own neighbourhood watch scheme and forced them to come to our meetings. We ended up telling them where the kids were getting their alchohol from, who the drug dealers were, who was pimping etc. They knew nothing!!!

What we also realised was that unless it becomes a BAD statistic they will ignore you so the best way to get police to sort a local problem is to report anything and everything that happens and then get all your neighbours to do the same. Only having one person in a street report something is no good and you really must report EVERYTHING, not just when you think a crime has been commited but when you are feeling threatened or a disturbance is taking place. This way the report statistics for your area go through the roof until someone high up the chain decides it looks BAD and they then throw resource at it. I know that reasonable people will see this as a waste of police time but sadly, if you want to see an improvement in your area this is the way to achieve it. Yes it's selfish but it works and your life will be better.

In our case this meant visible police patrols and the classification of our area as a "Dispersal Zone" which allowed the police to break up groups of more than one person.

Sadly this only shifted the problem onto someone elses doorstep but we were glad to have the respite nonetheless.

Unfortunately what you can't do is take the "baseball bat" approach because, trust me, they will target you relentlessly and your whole life will spiral out of control in a series recriminitive actions. Also, don't expect the parents to take any interest, mostly they are where the real problem lies. After one incident locally the person on the receiving end of Chav behavious followed said Chav home to explain to the parents what "little Jonny" had been up to - the parents stabbed him!

So even though we managed to improve things in our area, 1 year one I live some where else - Life's too short.....

[Paul Hurdsfield - Joint Manchester AO]

I'm sorry to here of you plight  

National service isnt the answer, proper pumishment is.

There is no such thing as low level crime, when your the victim it's serious.

Our youngest son got done over twice in his teens / early twenties, both times from behind, one leading to a broken jaw, the first one no one was caught, the second my son knew one of the persons involved, but they stuck to their story that they were provoked, yeah right one guy on his own takes on four, no proceedings were brought due to insufficient evidence.

He's 32 now and lives in Thailand, been there 3 years, he comes home on a regular basis but we still feel like we've lost our son  

But on the bright side we're off to Bangkok next Saturday for a couple of weeks to see our little boy

[FW500]

I caught some chavs trying to break into my car on my driveway a few years back. When I challenged them they became aggressive so I reached for my cricket bat. I chased them across a nearby field and noticed that I was gaining ground on them quite quickly.

It was at this point I really wondered what I was going to do when I caught them. I'd either have to batter the crap out of them or convince them to walk quietly back to the house under citizens arrest. Both were prospects I didn't really want to deal with so I let them go... big mistake. A few weeks later one of the thugs recognised me in a local shop and attacked my girlfriend (at the time) and me with a knife. Police took a long time to arrive but they knew exactly who was responsible and the lad ended up in a  young offenders unit.

Lesson was learnt though - if you get the chance - batter them!

[chrisshorty]

sorry to hear about this. as every one else i to have had a personal experiance of this when i was 17 comeing back from the pub pretty p****d waiting at a bus stop for me bus eating my chips 6 or 7 lads walked past thought nothing of it then about 5-10 mins later about 5 of them came back and started setting there mouth and as you do when youve had a drink you give it back. next thing i know im out cold on the ground with some one who must have interupted them trying to pull me round, had to go to hospital fractured cheekbone and bust nose, and cuts and bruises. police took 2 and a half days to turn up and were of little help they managed to find 3 of them and was taken to court. apparantly i was awarded £900 compo but because they were (as most chav s**ts are in this country today) they didnt work so they got let off with 150 hours of comunity service each and a stupid asbo, in my view the kids havent got the respect of anyone because of cases like all that have been posted they know that IF they do get caught then they will be as good as let off with a daft warning. for me they have to start at the schools, bring back the cane. and the country is to politicaly correct with to many goody goodys saying what about there human rights well to hell with there human rights they commit an offence as serious as these then they should be punished properly.  

rant over

[BigDaveUK]

What we also realised was that unless it becomes a BAD statistic they will ignore you so the best way to get police to sort a local problem is to report anything and everything that happens and then get all your neighbours to do the same. Only having one person in a street report something is no good and you really must report EVERYTHING, not just when you think a crime has been commited but when you are feeling threatened or a disturbance is taking place. This way the report statistics for your area go through the roof until someone high up the chain decides it looks BAD and they then throw resource at it. I know that reasonable people will see this as a waste of police time but sadly, if you want to see an improvement in your area this is the way to achieve it. Yes it's selfish but it works and your life will be better.

100%agree, this is the only way to get something done without ending up in more trouble yourself than the people responsible.

[John Williams (Panda) - Joint Manchester AO]

is the wscc becomming a politically party?...

bring back hanging, put the fear of god back into the legal system, ban congestion charges.... sounds like a good start to the manifesto!

persoanlly bring back the stocks.... i could sit outside in the pub and watch a good session whilst enjoying my nice beer and bring punishment into the community so we can see it working.

you get my vote!

John

[Jeff2]

Thanks for all your support guys.  I've thought non stop about what happened and whether I did the right things or enough.

I have to look events in the light of all we're dealing with is a few bruises a smashed car windscreen and a few dents.  My son is not in hospital or worse the morgue.  I have considered the baseball bat option, but at the end of the day we have to continue living here.  Mary is still very shook up and won't let my son go out of her sight, but time will hopefully change that.  Two of the yobs have been interviewed by the police and we are waiting to find out if the are to charged - yes, I said if they are to charged - unbelievable

I can't stop thinking about what would have happened if my son hadn,t made it home or we had been out.  I absolutely dread to think of all the possibilities.

I'm certain we will get back some balance to our daily lives, but it will be different.  One good point from my son's point of view is that he will spend less on bus fares as Mary now wants to drive him everywhere

[Fat Albert]

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inappropriate behaviour by young people is a symptom, inappropriate people becoming parents is the disease

until such time as society (we) stop trying to treat the symptoms and start a debate on how to treat the disease nothing will change

you have to fill in a form to borrow a book from a library, you have to pass a written and practical test to drive a car on public roads, why is it that all you have to do assume the greatest human responsibility is take off your clothes?

[Tubs]

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inappropriate behaviour by young people is a symptom, inappropriate people becoming parents is the disease

until such time as society (we) stop trying to treat the symptoms and start a debate on how to treat the disease nothing will change

you have to fill in a form to borrow a book from a library, you have to pass a written and practical test to drive a car on public roads, why is it that all you have to do assume the greatest human responsibility is take off your clothes?

'Cut their goolies off' is the cure.

Tubs

[danmo]

Sorry to hear about this, also to all the others this sort of thing has happened to.

There really isn't a simple solution to this, because they will keep coming back for more.

I think some rottweilers are prob the best answer, one of my mates from high school has a few of them, he used to just have the one. One day after school a group of guys tried to beat up and mug his younger brother outside there house, no one was in.. but the rottweiler jumped through the front window (yep.. smashed straight through it), and the guys ran off.

His brother wasn't really hurt, so called the dog back.

But that did seem to work. Suppose if it wasn't outside your home, you could always "take it out for a walk".

I've been bullied many times before, find that the best solution is to stand up to them (but then again if theres a lot of them and your on your own, it may not be wise)

Hope you all recover from this.

Dan

[bo selecta]

This brings back memories.I got jumped by 2 lads on my way back from a P**s up with my mates about 10 years ago.I got slamed against a wall,then kicked in the head.2 broken fingers and stitches in my head.A few weeks later i heard one of the t***s had a little accident!! Then about 5 years ago i got punched in a nightclub,landed on my face,and broke my jaw.That was a random attack by a brain dead moron,and the police could`nt identify him as the cctv image was too poor!! My point is that im sure your lad will get over it,as i have (twice!) its just a shame these things happen in the first place...

[ljsanders]

When I was 18 (about 15 years ago) and a student, I was out walking the dog very late one night, whilst I was walking up the road about 100 yards from my house. 3 youths came down the road, one of them I knew. All p****d out of their heads.

The guy i knew said "all right mate". The other two grabbed me and threw a few punches and booted the dog one, I managed to get away and run home.

I ended up with a few scratches and a black eye. The plod came out straight away, and I named the guy I knew.

They caught the main bloke. He was put up in front of a magistrates got 2 years probation for ABH because he was on a previous caution, and I got 50 quid compensation + 12 quid for my ruined t-shirt, which I got back in the way of a 2 quid a week cheque!!!

6 months later, I get a letter from the courts saying he'd been banged up for 2 years for breach of probation.

Which made my day really as I could have got away with a lot worse. Knocked my confidence for six for a little while though, especially late at night.

Hope your lad gets over it quickly.

[lukeyboy]

As a police officer once recommended to me in this situation........ look for the biggest of the group and drop him first as it's a good chance the others will back down if they think you are madder than them