Fuel! At what price will you have to sell the car?

[Carl]

Without trying to sound like a nutter it's a global conspiracey.

Opec, mainly the Saudis (influenced by the USA) are refusing to increase supply. Thus the price continuously increases.

I suspect most governments like this as they all benefit from increased taxes whilst blaming the "unstable middle east due to terrorists"

Don't forget the most powerful man in the world's family business is oil, do you really think he's worried about it being over $110 barrel  

[Mid life crisis]

I live near Manchester and travel to Slough once or twice a month. My company used to prefer me to drive because of the cost implication of flying. It costs approx £80.00 in fuel and toll road charges to get to Slough and back. I now book 4 weeks in advance with BMI to Heathrow, then get a collegue to pick me up. I booked a flight yesterday for the 20th May £64.00. Wonder what it would cost on the (public transport) train.      

         

[carpetstu]

No sympathy for anyone that runs a 4x4 (that includes Steve who started this in his Nissan Navara)

I have a 4x4 through need not choice!

Staffordshire is very rural and I need the car to access the area we cover. Personally I hate the thing and would much prefer a sporty family motor but that will not do single track farm roads in the middle of winter in 4 inch snow or floods.  

I lived on a farm until I was 6, my dad never had a problem getting up and down the 1.5 mile lane in his Cortina on a daily basis    

Likewise , I used to drive a 1ltr Ford Anglia Van through all sorts of weather, had to get to farms and places  up and down unmetalled roads with pot holes , snow ,ice , torrential rain ,fog and w.h.y.

all par for the course , never stopped me getting the job done    

I have a big smile to myself everey time I hear the reason why its "vital" to have a 4x4 .

complete b*****k its all about mines bigger and better than yours .

   

Lads, I apologise and totally accept your point of view as correct, and myself as wrong!

Therefore I have today returned the Jeep and ordered a f***ing tractor!

 

[LordB]

As it currently stands 85% would keep their westy with prices at £2/ltr.

Its interesting isnt it that no one has discussed the cost of cars depreciating - BY FAR the biggest cost that motorists have to pay to keep a vehicle on the road.......

Buy a brand new westy for say £20k, I bet you will lost £6k in the first three years, so say you do 6kmiles per year thats about 33p/mile.  

compared with......cost of fuel at 1.20/ltr averaging 25 miles/gallon (if your lucky!!) = 22p/mile!!

OR AM I

The figures are even more marked if you drive a Renault!!!  

[alistairolsen]

Thats why the new car I have just bought runs on LPG and cost me less than £1000

Negligeable depreciation and <10p per mile

[spence]

As it currently stands 85% would keep their westy with prices at £2/ltr.

The 3 who so far said £1.25, best get polishing and cleaning for a quick sale.

[Arm]

If you wish to argue about the merits of 4*4's then dont forget vans, motorhomes, estate cars , sports cars or anything that uses more fuel than a Fiesta.

I'm amazed at folk on here anti 4*4 yet have a 20 mpg Westy. Whats the chuffin difference !

   

[Mark Stanton]

QUOTE

Whats the chuffin difference !

lots ............ so there                        

and didn't you know that motorhomes are the most fuel efficient and cost effective form of transport                

[dombanks]

Im one of the three that said £1.25 but i didnt think you meant selling your westy.

i'm having to rid myself of the mondeo. Granted i have another car to drive but i think even if i didnt i'd be having todown size.

i regard the westy as a toy/hobby and as such fuel is a consumable and part of it. just out of interest what consumption can i expect from a 2.0l zetec on jenveys?

[jeff oakley]

If you wish to argue about the merits of 4*4's then dont forget vans, motorhomes, estate cars , sports cars or anything that uses more fuel than a Fiesta.

I'm amazed at folk on here anti 4*4 yet have a 20 mpg Westy. Whats the chuffin difference !

   

You are spot on Arm, it is the classic political method of setting one group against another. So it was caravans, then 4x4, then gas guzzlers, then luxery cars, then chavtastic cars with big stereos and so on until every group is so busy fighting each other that we don't notice we are being shafted again and again. We shouldn't even be contemplating selling our cars we should be uniting and confronting the goverment and those in power.

It may not make much differance but write to your MP and especially in marginal seats you might be surprised at how they change their minds when they see themseleve having to use a bus.

[Mid life crisis]

As it currently stands 85% would keep their westy with prices at £2/ltr.

Its interesting isnt it that no one has discussed the cost of cars depreciating - BY FAR the biggest cost that motorists have to pay to keep a vehicle on the road.......

Buy a brand new westy for say £20k, I bet you will lost £6k in the first three years, so say you do 6kmiles per year thats about 33p/mile.  

compared with......cost of fuel at 1.20/ltr averaging 25 miles/gallon (if your lucky!!) = 22p/mile!!

OR AM I

The figures are even more marked if you drive a Renault!!!  

Or you could always pay £6k for a tidy used westy a few years old, run it for 3 years and get back what you paid for it.

         

           

[Crazy Eddie]

No sympathy for anyone that runs a 4x4 (that includes Steve who started this in his Nissan Navara)

I have a 4x4 through need not choice!

Staffordshire is very rural and I need the car to access the area we cover. Personally I hate the thing and would much prefer a sporty family motor but that will not do single track farm roads in the middle of winter in 4 inch snow or floods.  

Should have just said I want to drive a 4x4 so there!

At the end of the day mate yours is used for work and so the fuel is tax relief anyway - after all the b*****ds can't tax us twice for the same thing can they!    

Don't understand the original quote though   problem is there are loads of "Chelsea Tractors" about because it seems to be all the rage at the moment and that adds to the cliche but people can choose what cars they have and still moan about the tax.

At the end of the day it won't be long before any extra vehicle (ie 2 adults but 3 vehicles) are taxed massively. Can just see that quote, "I have no sympathy for anyone that runs an "extra" car!"        

[neilb]

If you wish to argue about the merits of 4*4's then dont forget vans, motorhomes, estate cars , sports cars or anything that uses more fuel than a Fiesta.

I'm amazed at folk on here anti 4*4 yet have a 20 mpg Westy. Whats the chuffin difference !

   

Just to be clear I am not anti 4x4 on the grounds of 20mpg but in the basis of that they are a liability on the roads especially doing the school run. They don't handle or crash well and don't have to meet any of the standards that normal car does.

[dombanks]

i have to agree with neil. i know people who have them only because "they're big and will protect my spindley single child if someone hits me"

I also know a company who owns 5 4x4's as they need them for the job. as far as i can see this "job" entails towing a small trailer up a tarmac road from one lacation to the next occasionally they go into a field but more often then not they use quad's for that. oh yes and 2 of them are their runabouts. and go as close to off road as my westy does.

tbf i own a 4x4 and primarily we have it as we "choose" to tow our horses about places. as such we accept its running costs as part of the ownership costs of the horse. what is annoying and i do grumble about is we dont use it everyday infact it goes out say 2 times a week. we looked into this pay as you drive insurance and it worked out more expensive than just insuring it all the time and there is no option on road tax to do the same.  we did look at a horse box but they cost the earth and we did look at those converted trasit van type boxes but unless you want to cart a small donkey about they are restricive on the weight limit.

oh and on the grounds of mpg and emission my v6 mondeo is worse than our frontera.

[Tubs]

Without trying to sound like a nutter it's a global conspiracey.

Opec, mainly the Saudis (influenced by the USA) are refusing to increase supply.

I'm sorry mate but this rubbish.

The issue is not how much oil is left in the world, as there is plenty, but how quickly it can be got out of the ground.

It has been widely believed that the Saudi's could up oil production without a problem, but, following 9/11 the Saudi's tried to improve relations with the US and opened their oil wells to inspection by them something they hadn't allowed for 20 years.

What the inspectors found was a shock. As I'm sure you all know, in the early days of a well the oil pushes itself out but, as time goes on, water needs to be pumped in to force the oil out. This leads to oil contamination and the tests of largest of the Saudi fields showed contamination levels of 80% sea water.

All oil wells follow a simple bell curve for production and a study of these shows that we are near, if not at, tipping point (The North Sea, US and Russian wells have all passed over the top and are in serious decline). This means that the price of oil will be dictated by what people will pay.

In respect to tax the government faces the dilemma that as prices rise the amount of petrol bought will decline and there will come a point when revenues will also fall. Also, any reduction in tax will increase consumption which will cause a sharp rise in price due to supply restrictions.

Oil will be with us for many years, but it will become a luxury not a 'right' so make the most of it while you can.

Tubs.