Quaife gearbox

[cast iron]

HI Lambo.

Sorry i can't help with your query.

Objections are only raised when you are winning, so no problems with me.

But when Stigman gets into his stride ,who knows , regards    

Surely its better to look for clarification before it looks like bad sportsmanship. Im sure a Honda Vtec with a carbon bell housing or a 2.3 Duratec with whatever box is going to be a few classes away from me in my road going 1600. So whether its legal or not makes no difference to me. Im just making a point to prevent someone else shouting sour grapes at a later date.

That Honda sure does look sexy though  

[lambo]

Can you please double check that. I didnt think specialised production cars (kit cars) had reference to gearbox. I dont have the BB here can someone please post the exact paragraph.

Those are the exact paragraphs from the BB 2006 (I don't know if it's changed in the 07 book though).

A 1600 engined car falls into class A (assuming your a novice driver) and would not be expected to compete against a 2.3 Duratech car with a carbon bellhousing - that would fall into class B (for novice drivers) or class D (for expert drivers). No need to fret about foul play I don't think!  

[greeny]

wo, wo, wo!!

I ain't got a Carbon bellhousing! It's only Mr Cooper thats got one before I get dragged into this.

As for foul play, I resent that....my car is fully legit! It's even got a heater and carpets I'll have you know!  

[Mark Stanton]

Road going production (& specialist) cars

a). The gearbox and diff casing must be of the original type and material and remain in the original position

b). The method of gear selection must remain standard (sequential selection only where fitted as standard).

Those are the exact paragraphs from the BB 2006

"Pedant mode" No they are not exact words "pedant mode"  

Exact words printed on page 173 are

11.8. Transmission

11.8.1. Road going production cars

a). The gearbox and differential casing must be of the original type and material and remain in the original position.

b). The method of gear selection must remain standard (sequential selection only where fitted as standard).

Small differences, but when quoting from BB it is imperative to be accurate, there many anomalous and open to personal interpretation paragraphs as it is, without compounding the matter further          

[windy]

No mention of a ruling on transmissions for road going specialist production cars 2007 blue book. Therefore if an event is running to MSA rules:

1) Quaife alloy cased gearbox allowed

2) Sequential box allowed.

3) CVT box allowed

4) DSG box allowed

5) Carbon bellhousing allowed.

6) Transaxle allowed

Remember that the transmission is everything including the final drive (diff), propshaft, driveshafts, torque tube & clutch. Some people think it is just the gearbox.  

If an event is not running to MSA regs, an organising club may choose to exclude certain items from their supplementary regulations. However as technology in cars develops, anyone who choses to exclude things by making their own rules is on a sticky wicket.

[Arm]

Mark

Thanks for correcting, you are right in being pedantic about quotes from the BB.

Cheers

BTW I am on holiday, this is the after ski wind down and before the evening entertainment.

[V 8]

this is the after ski wind down and before the evening entertainment.

Before bed time more like.........you should have been drinking since 4.30

[Mark Stanton]

Windy, that is your interpretation of the rules, and quite possibly others to however it may not necessarily be that of the MSA or it's representatives at events, and we all know that the BB has far from adapted itself to use modern technology except F1  

[Arm]

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Before bed time more like.........you should have been drinking since 4.30

Not where I'm skiing.

Its a 7 hr time difference to the uk.

[windy]

No interpretation needed Mark

It's in black & white:

From 2007 Blue book

11.8 Transmission.

11.8.1 Roadgoing producton cars.

a) The gearbox and differential casing must be of the original type and material and remain in their original position.

b) The method of gear selection must remain standard (sequential selection only where fitted as standard).

Westfields are Specialist Production cars as defined by 11.1.2. The transmission rule above applies to Roadgoing Production Cars as defined by 11.1.1

[Mark Stanton]

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No interpretation needed Mark

If that's the case then Windy, I'll let you stand in every paddock of every sprint and hillclimb in the UK run under MSA regs                       and then see how many interpretations there are         especially by the MSA officials              

[windy]

Just got a flashback to the "Bearded One" at Ty Croes - not nice    

I guess some have their own rules, but a quiet word to the COC with blue book in hand normally sorts it. Scruters don't always have the powers they think they do, so generally tend to back down once the COC gets involved with decision making.  

[ACW]

Before bed time more like.........you should have been drinking since 4.30

Not where I'm skiing.

Its a 7 hr time difference to the uk.

Ash - where ya skiing (guessing US or Ca) and whats the conditions like. Counting the days till Feb1.....

[Arm]

Vail Colorado.

Huge amount of snow and more on the way. States is gripped by bad weather and thats good for us !

Demo'd new skis - K2 Recons, 'kin great makes my poor skiing look almost acceptable.

[smithy]

carefull with that arm Arm!

four bits of sticky rubber is safer than two bits of slippy plywood!