Speed Series Competitors

[machin]

I would agree with Ash about the sub classes, that's a nonsense, just too much work.

I do agree that too many sub-classes could confuse things, but I disagree that its too much work as there would be no additional points awarded for the additional classes -you simply take the people who fit the "big Chin" or "most look like Tin Tin" class and compare their scores at the end of the season.... the person with the most gets the title... would work the same way with the Novice award....

Infact I think the Toyo award is working the same this year... those people on Toyos are compared at the end of the season to see who gets the award... no additional points scoring scheme required.

[davidgh]

Its a lot of work to monitor and score a sub class.

Ash

We seem to be monitoring Toyo runners as sub classes now  --  simply by colouring them blue in the spreadsheet. Don't see why novices should be more difficult as such.

Monitoring novices with eight-valve engines running Toyos and living south of the Thames might be more of a challenge.

David

[V 8]

Its a lot of work to monitor and score a sub class.

Ash

We seem to be monitoring Toyo runners as sub classes now  --  simply by colouring them blue in the spreadsheet. Don't see why novices should be more difficult as such.

Monitoring novices with eight-valve engines running Toyos and living south of the Thames might be more of a challenge.

David

......with a big chin and look like tin tin.......

[John Loudon - Sponsorship Liaison]

We know the bit about the chin but who looks like Tin tin?  

[V 8]

I would echo that aswell, and I wouldn't think it in doubt with any of the competitors. However, lets not let the subject of folk doing voluntary jobs mean that it appears "ungrateful" if you make suggestions to improve the system.

The SS team do a great job, and I'm not sure I need reminding of that, but I'd be a bit p******** off if a St Johns Ambulance person let someone die through not doing the job properly, and no-one was allowed to voice an opinion because they were a volunteer.

I am also not suggesting that the SSOT don't do the job properly, but the inference that it *may* be impolite to suggest change could dissuade the newbie novice from having a valued opinion for fear of ostracism.

Lets take it as read that the SSOT are doing a great job, and get on with the task in hand with more ideas, to make a great club and competition series even better

[Rob Navin]

Well said Tommo.

( never thourght I would say that in public )

[Bananaman]

Well said Tommo.

( never thourght I would say that in public )

You OK Rob ????

[Rob Navin]

Well said Tommo.

( never thourght I would say that in public )

You OK Rob ????

I'm not feeling my normal self    

A couple too many red wines last night I fear.

But that aside he did have a very good point and put it so well, ( For Tommo    )

   

[Arm]

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Ash

We seem to be monitoring Toyo runners as sub classes now  --  simply by colouring them blue in the spreadsheet. Don't see why novices should be more difficult as such.

Monitoring novices with eight-valve engines running Toyos and living south of the Thames might be more of a challenge.

David

Thats a fair point but it does take some additional setting up and monitoring  even if its only a small amount of work. Its got to be discussed and agreed and put in the rules.

I dont really see who gains and what the point is. The X flow is probably the most popular engine in the 8v category and its possible to get big hp out of it   by spending  money (so is there a restriction applied on investment)

If the idea goes through then maybe I will build a 200 hp big bore, ax blocked, steel cranked, wedge head crossflow.

Kind of defeats the object.

[V 8]

Is it alright if I go in the 16v category then??

We already do extra curricular awards anyway, wouldn't have thought it was difficult at the end of the season to trawl the data and do a number of *surprise* competitions

[Mark Stanton]

would work the same way with the Novice award....

Novice Awards for Classes, E, F, G and H in addition to the large Novice Classes A and B are already in place and sponsored by ESP Plastics may I refer you to last years awards for a full run down of those given   and also in previous years  

Classes C and D are for experts   hence no novice awards for those  

[Mid life crisis]

There has already been some discussion within Class A of a Class C1 for 8 valve engines, a Classic Westfield  Class <!--emo&    

With the proposed amalgamation of the Novice and Experts in A/C and B/D,  I think it would be relatively easy to also award other minor sub-categories like Martin's proposed one for 8 valve engines... (even if it was just a title, rather than an award as such).  It'd at least be some recognition for the achievement... and if you manage to get the class win too... then that's a big bonus....

I like the sound of an 8 valve class.  

Who knows I may make a come back for that    

No No No    That 190BHP xflow is promised to me    Just as soon as I can get some money from marketing        Maybe next year.

       

[davidgh]

Ash

We seem to be monitoring Toyo runners as sub classes now  --  simply by colouring them blue in the spreadsheet. Don't see why novices should be more difficult as such.

Monitoring novices with eight-valve engines running Toyos and living south of the Thames might be more of a challenge.

David

Thats a fair point but it does take some additional setting up and monitoring  even if its only a small amount of work. Its got to be discussed and agreed and put in the rules.

I dont really see who gains and what the point is. The X flow is probably the most popular engine in the 8v category and its possible to get big hp out of it   by spending  money (so is there a restriction applied on investment)

If the idea goes through then maybe I will build a 200 hp big bore, ax blocked, steel cranked, wedge head crossflow.

Kind of defeats the object.

I am advocating no more than a combination of classes into (A+C) and (B+D). For that I think we would need to track novices for specific awards. And, I realise it would need to be legislated.

I agree fully that, unless you are going to set up a WSCC rolling road day and subsequently seal engines and ECUs, a "classic" Westy class is very, very difficult to administer.

[Mark Stanton]

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That 190BHP xflow is promised to me    Just as soon as I can get some money from marketing

I know where there's a 200BHP X-Flow if you want just a little more          

[mark.anson]

What I would like to say is a BIG thanks to all those involved in organising the speed series and it's associated events, over the many years.

They are all volunteers doing this in THEIR time, for our benifit.

It's too easy in the heat of the moment to forget this,  We might not always agree with what they do, but without them there's no speed series.

Thanks

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