Speed Series Competitors

[V 8]

But if you look at your sig Chris, you're planning to get there.....

[Mid life crisis]

"Basket Case"

"novices shouldnt be allowed to win overall"

Well thats two people off the Christmas card list

The Scotish system is good, just look at the class record for the class at the venue and work out the points acordingly, if you are the only one, or there are 100 of you, its the same points system.

Yep        

Maybe bhp should be restricted to 140 in A,B,C and D. Possibly a restricted tyre choice              

Taxi for Mid Life

[Mid life crisis]

I agree that novices shouldn't be allowed to win the championship too

and seriously that's the one thing where very sadly comments like that have all lost the original ethos of the SS and does little to continue attraction for novices to the sport  

How would a novice looking at entering next year view such a comment........... it would look quite unwelcoming and somewhat elitist

When commenced in 1998 the championship, Tom was quite to the point and maintained that it was the ideal opportunity for a novice to win and be encouraged to get a rung onto the ladder of competition.

Tom had been around paddocks for more years than any of us and he knew what was needed to encourage drivers to take part and then onwards to develop their skills be that with the SS or other championships

Admittedly some folks weren't around in 1998 so perhaps do not fully appreciate matters     but many others were  

The Championship has been won by 2 experts in its time, so it is a proven equal and possible for all to attain honours from whatever class.

Most other championships can only be won by experts. The SS has always offered wins to novice and experts .............. and simply that experts must try that bit harder at times............. but surely this is not much to ask    

Some good points made which will hopefully be presented in a proper manner ...................... but please let us not damage our spirit and comerarderie by losing sight of what got us all into the sport and gives novices and experts an achievable goal  

Here Here Mark        

[Mid life crisis]

I personally feel the Novices should only be so for 2 yrs or 10 events, whichever comes sooner - as competitors that have done 40 events have a lot of experience, and therefore couldnt still be classed as a 'novice'!!!     This would mean there would be more 'lowish' HP cars in the C and D, and the true novices wouldnt be competing against people that had been round a particular track lots of times and hence learnt it well.  As at the moment it looks a bit like C and D are mostly high HP cars compared to A and B - maybe thats how some get promoted in the first place - The lack of being able to be competative in C with a lowly 130hp is what puts me off this year.

It would be interesting to see the HP/weight breakdown per class.

Ten events or two years . Hmm  

 If you decide to do the ss and  compete in all ten rounds then all competitions will be run blind i.e. it will be the first time at that venue.  Two years at 10 may be better or indeed no more than two entries at the same event. However are we missing the point, not all competitors wan't to become experts, quite a number I have met just enjoy their sport, they enjoy the day and have no motivation to spend shed loads of money to prove anything. I think if you look around at the average meeting, there is a lot of understated money around. I wonder what the tone would be of the experts if someone was to rise to the challange and turn up with a F1 V10 Honda XTR4. Is this the road people wan't to go down.

Fordy I am running a 1700 x flow with about 140bhp and 110 at the wheels.

       

[V 8]

However are we missing the point, not all competitors wan't to become experts, quite a number I have met just enjoy their sport, they enjoy the day and have no motivation to spend shed loads of money to prove anything.

Well in that case, why does it matter if they do *accidentally* become experts

[V 8]

Consider yourself tempted

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Why the post deletion

[Mid life crisis]

However are we missing the point, not all competitors wan't to become experts, quite a number I have met just enjoy their sport, they enjoy the day and have no motivation to spend shed loads of money to prove anything.

Well in that case, why does it matter if they do *accidentally* become experts

                         

[V 8]

I give in

[Mid life crisis]

I give in

I decided my reply was not conducive to the spirit of this board.

[V 8]

Fair enough, you're a gent!

Answer me this.

When you are in your 2nd, 3rd of 4th year, spent a bit on the car, gained a bit of experience and extra competitive spirit and a novice straight out of the box with no real competition does 170 points, will you feel the same way?

If we had a separate best novice award, a novice would win something prestigious every year

[Mrs Westy]

I agree that novices shouldn't be allowed to win the championship too

and seriously that's the one thing where very sadly comments like that have all lost the original ethos of the SS and does little to continue attraction for novices to the sport  

How would a novice looking at entering next year view such a comment........... it would look quite unwelcoming and somewhat elitist

When commenced in 1998 the championship, Tom was quite to the point and maintained that it was the ideal opportunity for a novice to win and be encouraged to get a rung onto the ladder of competition.

So how does making the decision to run a particular type of control tyre fit in with this ethos of attracting novices with their perfectly legal roadgoing cars into the sport then?

Would a novice look at a control tyre as this as the perfect way of entering or providing the ideal opportunity to get a rung onto the ladder of compeition next year knowing that he has to change his tyres to do so?

Does forcing people to use a control tyre really encourage drivers to take part and then onwards to develop their skills?

If we're going to bring Tom into it, was he involved in the decision to go with a deal with Toyo to use a control tyre?  I genuinely don't know the answer to that question - maybe he was, but it seems a bit odd to drag him into the equation when the Toyo situation seems to me to go entirely against this ethos.

I am well aware that this could well be a moot point in the future given the current feelings about running a control tyre, but given the position at November last year where it was going to be a regulation point, I don't see how you can use this argument now.  Either you're for novices, in which case you allow them to use their cars in the roadgoing condition in which they arrive (subject to safety scrutineering measures) or you impose restrictions.  You can't try and justify it both ways.

[V 8]

Can't argue with that. Evenin' bumtious

[Mrs Westy]

Allo darling  

Terribly p********...job interview tomorrow...me and my boss going for one job    I could be in either a very good or a very bad mood at this point tomorrow      

[Mid life crisis]

I give in

Yes m8 most experts would in the face of a V10 Honda

           

[Mid life crisis]

Fair enough, you're a gent!

Answer me this.

When you are in your 2nd, 3rd of 4th year, spent a bit on the car, gained a bit of experience and extra competitive spirit and a novice straight out of the box with no real competition does 170 points, will you feel the same way?

If we had a separate best novice award, a novice would win something prestigious every year

I completley agree with you. I think the novice class should be run totaly seperate from the championship and the top driver should be promoted. However recognition in the way of a prestigous award should be presented to the top driver at the awards to encorage new drivers to enter the sport. I still believe that one win in any event to qualify as an expert is unfair. Sorry if we have being playing tennis no offence intended.