adhawkins Posted August 11, 2006 Posted August 11, 2006 The trouble with that is for people in 'E' and 'F'. Often they don't really have an equivalent class 'on the day' so get lumped in with the slick boys. This might mean that there appears to be a lot more runners in 'G' and 'H' than there actually are. Does that make sense? Andy Quote
John Loudon - Sponsorship Liaison Posted August 11, 2006 Posted August 11, 2006 Yes - classes E and F are "half breed" clases not recognised by MSA events Quote
davidgh Posted August 11, 2006 Posted August 11, 2006 But sometimes, especially in beautiful Wales, we get lumped in with 2A and 2B Still can't beat JP though Quote
Bananaman Posted August 11, 2006 Posted August 11, 2006 QUOTE Perhaps we could adopt a %age system to overcome this where 2nd gets 16 points and first gets additional point as a percentage difference to 2nd, the rest a deduction as a %age. Would certainly eradicate the long/short curcuit anomoly and the probability of a tie for the SS championship. JT bl**** good idea......... But are YOU sure that it'd work for you in 'H'..........Maybe you should invest in smithys car afterall..... Quote
V 8 Posted August 11, 2006 Posted August 11, 2006 John, I think that is a very valid point, particularly with reference to the south/north issue where you may be the only SS entrant in a field of 10. Andy, you are perfectly correct, and we mustn't lose sight of the fact that the SS caters for all comers with classes for novices and E/F who would also be affected. Not sure how we can combine those 2 issues. Thinking caps on. Quote
Blatman Posted August 11, 2006 Posted August 11, 2006 I was in a similar position at Bentwaters and missed 3rd in class overall by 0.4 sec. All the other runners on the day were on 1Bs with me trying my best on 1As (class B runner). Being the only one of my WSS class on the day, could I not have approval to put the 1Bs I have on, knowing that it would make no difference to the WSS or was I just being too honest by not putting them on anyway? If you are a class B entrant, then the SS does not allow you to run 1B tyres. If dispensation is allowed, then a few of us will need yet another set of wheels and tyres, just in case, and you'd have to extend it to classes A, C and D as well. It's a nice idea, but it leaves novices a bit out in the cold... Quote
V 8 Posted August 11, 2006 Posted August 11, 2006 I was in a similar position at Bentwaters and missed 3rd in class overall by 0.4 sec. All the other runners on the day were on 1Bs with me trying my best on 1As (class B runner). Being the only one of my WSS class on the day, could I not have approval to put the 1Bs I have on, knowing that it would make no difference to the WSS or was I just being too honest by not putting them on anyway? If you are a class B entrant, then the SS does not allow you to run 1B tyres. If dispensation is allowed, then a few of us will need yet another set of wheels and tyres, just in case, and you'd have to extend it to classes A, C and D as well. It's a nice idea, but it leaves novices a bit out in the cold... Where was that post from? Obviously Darren Berris, has he removed it? Ooops, no found it, Blatters, please post in the correct thread goodness me Quote
Blatman Posted August 11, 2006 Posted August 11, 2006 Sorry Tommo. Multiple windows open and multiple searches going on... Quote
V 8 Posted August 11, 2006 Posted August 11, 2006 The searchmeister blows a fuse............at last Quote
Blatman Posted August 11, 2006 Posted August 11, 2006 Actually, I think it was deleted and reposted in the other forum by Darren himself Quote
Darren B Posted August 12, 2006 Posted August 12, 2006 Actually, I think it was deleted and reposted in the other forum by Darren himself Yeah. Posted it here then realised it would probably be better in the Speed Series section. I understand the 'needing extra wheels and tyres issue' but as I already have them for the RAF sprints couldn't I then use them? Quote
windy Posted August 12, 2006 Posted August 12, 2006 For the attendance to increase for registrants (my opinion): 1) Reduce the number of scoring rounds in calendar. You need to do more events just to keep up with the early starters. May put some people off if they start events mid year, knowing that they cannot catch up. 2) Cost of doing 10 events to "make it worth doing the championship" is too expensive. I think some people have realised this after registering. 3) If the WSCC rounds were at the same venues & on the same days as other popular championships attendance would be up. There are quite a few date & venue clashes with other championships. Questions: How many people have been turned away from events this year? More rounds were put into the calendar to reduce likelihood of people being turned away. Is this still necessary? Perhaps we could reduce the number of events in the calendar to 15 say, best scores from 8 to count? Quote
Blatman Posted August 12, 2006 Posted August 12, 2006 Actually, I think it was deleted and reposted in the other forum by Darren himself Yeah. Posted it here then realised it would probably be better in the Speed Series section. I understand the 'needing extra wheels and tyres issue' but as I already have them for the RAF sprints couldn't I then use them? Well, no. Not if you want to score points in class B of the Speed Series. That class requires 1A tyres to be used. IMHO, it shouldn't matter if you are the only SS car at an event. Suppose there were just 2 SS cars at an event (you and Tommo for instance) but the organisers put you in the same class. Is it worth running 1B's in that instance? Where do you draw the line? Quote
MartinH Posted August 12, 2006 Posted August 12, 2006 My analysis of the 2006 series to date (first 18 events, up to Hethel) shows the following. Fridays are a slow day in the office then David David and I discussed the anomalies in the scoring system at length earlier in the season including the use of a percentage differential, what we currently have are the same flaws as the simple points system that went before. My thoughts on the other points and posts are as follows: On Novice transition, it is now too easy to easy to get promoted, the reduced number of competitors in Class A is a direct result of the large number of promotees last season. I also believe a number of promotees from last year are disillusioned because they see the only way they can complete on level terms in C is by an expensive upgrade, and that is why they have become what David terms as "social competitors". Other points are: John: So if I understand you correctly you want extra Speed Series points for completing against people who are not in the Speed Series. Windy: Were more rounds put in the Championship to reduce the likelyhood of people being turned away, I thought it was to reduce the travelling costs. Andy: I had wondered how many non-competing competitors are runnnig TOYO tyres David: "forwarded to the SSOT" don't you mean submitted to the CR sub-committee for vetting and prioritisation. Finally, I see nothing wrong with choosing popular events to enhace your opportunity of scoring high points, of course you run the risk of finishing up on a reserve list and scoring no points! It's no different to choosing a Class that you think you have the best chance of winning, the game is there to be played. For instance if anyone wanted to do well in Class A last year they just had to avoid the event's the Hussey's were at!! and that's how the other 6 guys got promoted Quote
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