juansolo Posted June 7, 2006 Posted June 7, 2006 Model: Westfield SE 'narrow' Kerb Weight (all fluids and fuel): 565kgs Engine: 2100cc N/A Cosworth YB on twin Weber 45 DCOEs and Weber Alpha 3D ignition only management. Fitted with Pace twin scavenge dry sump system Cooling: Recently re-cored rad. Solid 90 degrees running on track Power: 180whp (should equate to a comfortable 200bhp at the flywheel) Transmission: Quaife 5 speed Type-9 Clubman straight cut / close ratio Differential: Tran-X plate LSD in an English axle Braking: AP master cylinder, Outlaw M-16 4-pot brakes up front with Hawk carbon pads, Sierra single pot rears with standard pads. All aeroquip hosing Suspension: Rose jointed, alloy Avo Prorace shocks with 300/175lb springs Wheels and Tyres: KN Minator 13x6" alloy wheels with Yokohama A021R 185x60 rubber Steering: Escort 2.2 quick rack, Westfield column and Momo 27D wheel Cockpit: RAC roll over bar, genuine Caterham Tillet GRP buckets, Luke 4 point harnesses, VDO dials, sequential shift lights Purple: Oh yes indeedy You guys get the full, unabridged advert! Car is SORN'd and has no MOT. Though it's perfectly capable of being MOT'd and if required I could put it through prior to sale. The car was built in 1995 but possesses a 1975 registration from the donor Escort and all the emmissions dodging goodness that comes with it. I've owned the car for coming up to 6 years and in 2002 it was subject to a fairly comprehensive strip down and rebuild by Plays-Kool Motorsport. The engine was completely rebuit and the car was transformed into a much more focused track car. Not long after this I stopped using the car on the road and used it solely for track days. Since then it has done around 10 track days a year and has been maintained constantly in between each, replacing all fluids regularly and keeping on top of maintenance. As such for a track car it is mechanically very sound though cosmetically it's showing the signs of track use. Running costs (rebuild aside) have been very low, this is a very reliable car, but as a track car it's not maintenance free. It has the level of maintenance expected of a car with a hard mounted engine that is used for trackdays. Performance-wise it is realistically Caterham R300+ territory (350bhp/ton). It certainly has the legs on one on the straights and with sticky rubber every bit as quick around the bends. When I sold the Snotmobile I had many, many test pilots and people who had no idea just how raw a track Westfield can be. Well this one is a lot, and I mean a LOT more raw than the Snotmobile was when I sold it (though I think Saddleworth has since taken it to another level! ). Think touring car levels of transmission whine from the straight cut gearbox, lots of banging and clunking from the LSD. This is very much a track car ONLY now. Sure you *could* use it on the road, but with the live axle, stiff suspension and extreme transmission, you really wouldn't want to. I really do not have the patience to go through all that again and I ended up really quite bitter from the experience. If you are genuinely serious about buying I will gladly let you passenger all day on a trackday with me (in fact I would rather you did). I have about one a month for the next three months coming up. This will give you an insight into the car, it's running and it's performance. If at this point you want to buy it, only then will I let you drive it. I was burned very badly on this last time, can you tell? Just glad the Snotmobile eventually went to Saddleworth in the end to be honest, top lad Other things to note: If you are over 6 foot, it's incredibly unlikely that you'll fit in this car. If you want to take it for a pootle on the roads or for a Sunday drive, this is again, not the car for you. Yes I have got a folder full of receipts, although since the rebuild, very little has needed to be done other than routine maintenance. I can answer almost any questions on the car and will be happy to waffle to anyone about it, though again, please, the car is stored an hours round trip from my house, unless you are genuinely interested, I have better things to do than stand around in a garage and waffle about the car. This becomes very tired very quickly, as I found out last time. There is more information about the car and plenty of pictures on my website. It's a fairly consise and honest history of the car whilst I've owned it and the nature of the engine which is of course, the famous PintWorth. The car is for sale ONLY because I have a very special replacement lined up for it. As such I'm being realistic this time with the price. Now I could list it at £7500 ono then let you haggle me around to my actual selling price, as is the tradition with these things. But as I find selling cars painful, particularly ones that have an awful lot of me invested in them, I shall save you the bother. I want £7000 for it, no less. I know what it's worth. In parts alone I could get more for it from the Escort boys, but I really can't bring myself to strip it, it would be a crime. In closing, please take all the above as it's intended. I don't want to waste your time by advertising a car as something it's not. Likwise I don't want you to waste my time by coming to see it with any misconceptions. I just want to make sure that the right person buys the PPE. Bearing in mind how attached to this car that I am, I really do want it to go to the right home.
slippy Posted June 7, 2006 Posted June 7, 2006 BAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNN !!!!!
Blatman Posted June 7, 2006 Posted June 7, 2006 7K? Jesus Juan, throw me a bone From the conversations I've had about atmo Cossies with Juan over the years, this is for sure one of the best Pintworths out there, and 7K is a serious bargain.
juansolo Posted June 8, 2006 Author Posted June 8, 2006 I think I'm seriously crippled price-wise by the fact that even though it's road registered, it's really only a track car. Also, as I say, cosmetically it ain't the prettiest any more (I've seen far worse mind you). It'd be great for trackdays/sprinting. For the road it's just simply too far gone. The last time it was T&T'd, the single only journey it made on the road was to the garage to get an MOT... Sure if I kept it nearer by I might be tempted for the odd run out, but where it is now, that simply isn't practical Because of this, last time I advertised it I got no interest at all. Though I may have been a little optimistic on price and a little off-putting in the advert (as I didn't *really* want to sell it). This time there is a car I want so I am actually very serious about selling. I can't afford to sell it for any less than it's up for as it's replacement is going to cost me significantly more. If it doesn't go, it doesn't go. I'll leave the advert up and continue to track it regardless. The car I have the option on isn't going anywhere soon so either way, I've got no pressure to sell it. There is the right buyer out there... It'll be someone who wants a very sorted track car on a budget who isn't afraid of a spanner, wants to tow it to events and isn't as concerned about it being pristine.
samcooke Posted June 8, 2006 Posted June 8, 2006 Praps I'm missing something, but the only thing I can see that makes it tiresome on the road is the box and a few settings. Disregarding the CBA factor, would it not be worth swapping out the box, therefore broadening the market and getting more for the car and selling the box separately? FWIW, I've got no garage space left, no drive space left, no more leeway with the wife left and certainly no need for another kit car, but my first reaction was to check for available credit card space.
Al Yupright Posted June 8, 2006 Posted June 8, 2006 The car was built in 1995 but possesses a 1975 registration from the donor Escort and all the emmissions dodging goodness that comes with it. Does it say Escort on the V5? or Westfield?
juansolo Posted June 8, 2006 Author Posted June 8, 2006 2.1ltr 2 door escort convertible in purple. Never had a problem with tax (taxed as a Ford) or MOT. Reminds me that I should really tell them the new engine number since the block was changed...
juansolo Posted June 8, 2006 Author Posted June 8, 2006 Praps I'm missing something, but the only thing I can see that makes it tiresome on the road is the box and a few settings. Disregarding the CBA factor, would it not be worth swapping out the box, therefore broadening the market and getting more for the car and selling the box separately?FWIW, I've got no garage space left, no drive space left, no more leeway with the wife left and certainly no need for another kit car, but my first reaction was to check for available credit card space. The box is one of the best I've used, it's a lovely thing and I certainly wouldn't take it out. I used to drive it to trackdays when it had doors and a windscreen, which can be more pleasant, it was an earplugs only zone as a 70-80mph the whine from both the gearbox and diff is very loud. The exhaust is also on the drivers side and there are no carpets or any sort of sound proofing between you and the transmission... Now I'll admit, when it's sunny, it can be perversely kinda fun. But when it's not it really is unpleasant. Also it's live axle. On a track this makes not a blind bit of difference (though I actually prefer it's handling balance and the fact it's lighter than an IRS setup). But on the road it requires a very softly set up backend otherwise it can get interesting at the rear (and for your spine) on bumps. When I had the softer springs this was fine, but they were a very limiting factor when I run slicks/stickys as the before and after shots show on my website. On the softs a bump could cause the prop to hit the handbrake assembly, also with slicks you could hit the bump stops on the shocks under heavy cornering causing some really unwanted handling caracteristics. The stiffer springs have really sorted all that, but at the expense of ride (again, not an issue on a track). Range and tuning is another reason. It only has a 20ltr fuel tank and having large jets in the carbs means frequent fuel stops and it isn't really that happy going slowly. Finally, the engine is near as damnit hard mounted to the chassis and all the fun and games that come along with that are present here. In all I just found it a bind. If you're some kind of masochist then by all means, drive it on the road, but bear in mind, the more you bias it to track, the less pleasant it'll be on the road and it's biased way towards track work.
Bananaman Posted June 8, 2006 Posted June 8, 2006 Sounds like a stonker And 'IF' somebody wanted to use it more for road work then fitting a bigger tank and some softer springs would not be too much of a pain........ Good luck..
juansolo Posted June 8, 2006 Author Posted June 8, 2006 Sounds like a stonker And 'IF' somebody wanted to use it more for road work then fitting a bigger tank and some softer springs would not be too much of a pain........ Good luck.. Fitting a bigger tank in the back might be an issue also. Live axle, the RAC rear stays and the battery (no space under the bonnet for it because of the dry sump tank) are all in the back limiting the space you can use. You'd probably have to get a gel battery and shift it to the passenger footwell and a custom made tall tank that fills from the top, etc.
Bananaman Posted June 8, 2006 Posted June 8, 2006 Sounds like a stonker And 'IF' somebody wanted to use it more for road work then fitting a bigger tank and some softer springs would not be too much of a pain........ Good luck.. Fitting a bigger tank in the back might be an issue also. Live axle, the RAC rear stays and the battery (no space under the bonnet for it because of the dry sump tank) are all in the back limiting the space you can use. You'd probably have to get a gel battery and shift it to the passenger footwell and a custom made tall tank that fills from the top, etc. Shhhhhh........... don't you want to sell it.....
Mike dB Posted June 8, 2006 Posted June 8, 2006 Are you going to share what the replacement might be or waiting until you've sold the PPE?
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