Buzz Billsberry Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 But being openly Welsh may attract some mirth and merriment amongst paddock prowlers be aware of Steve Davies and Pete Billsberry especially if you also have a french cousin Mr & Mrs Rene Taffy Buzz Well said Guy g tell them how it is. Some people always like to belittle success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz Billsberry Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Well said Guy g tell them how it is. Some people always like to belittle success. And where did I do that then? As I am at pains to say whenever Guy and myself have discussions, I am in no way attempting to belittle his (of Keiths, or Ash's) success, or make excuses for why I'm not as fast, and I have said so in public many times in the past. if you do a search (gotcha! ) you will see for yourself. I am somewhat annoyed that my continued public acknowledgement of Guy's success, even when it appears that we are having bit of a disagreement, goes overlooked and we fall back all to easily to accusations or implications that I'm trying to cause trouble, or that I hold any of you in contempt. I emphatically don't. I admire the accomplishments of the fast 2B drivers as I have already stated. So, once again, let me say that I have every respect for Guy, et al, as they have accomplished things that I cannot at the moment. However, I aspire, and I have a desire for knowledge to help with those aspirations. This is a discussion board where knowledge is sometimes imparted, and sometimes not. I like to ask, and I'll make no apologies for doing so. Sometimes, folk will not want to pass on information. I have no problem with that. As with anything, if you ask for something, you should accept a "no" with the same good grace that you happily accept a "yes". I am happy to be told "no". Your so easy sometimes Blats Ambiguity rules!! Buzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 That's twice in a week... I must be losing it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz Billsberry Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 You're a top man Blats. I love it when you 'roll your sleeves up' and get stuck in! Buzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Terry Everall Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 In class 2B - As the person who was beaten by Keith ( only by one point ! ) I have no problems with the car even though it is different to mine weight, tyres, engine power, suspension, gearbox, diff ratio etc etc In the end he was just that tiny little bit quicker at most places Lets get on the track and give it some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windy Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 For the record, if I thought any car was presented and competing outside the regs, I'd cough up to a scrutineer and let the officials decide. Blatters, since the scruters are enforcing MSA regs there is no rule regarding suspension pickups to enforce because a rule doesn't exist. The cat is in with the pigeons again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guy g Posted March 1, 2005 Author Share Posted March 1, 2005 And even if there was they are all in exactly the place that Mr Westfield them on in 1993!! No objections to any pictures BTW, but it would be polite to ask Keith given that it's his car now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 I would of course ask Keith as well, no worries on that score. It might be moot though, 'cos I *still* can't find my sodding Speed Series pic library Blatters, since the scruters are enforcing MSA regs there is no rule regarding suspension pickups to enforce because a rule doesn't exist. 2005 Blue Book, L11.3, which, if I read the exemptions correctly, would include Westfields, C******ms, et al. It states: Manufacturers original chassis structure and specification of contruction, dimensions and material. For the purposes of a protest for a moved pick up point at either end, the dimensional change in the chassis structure I would argue as being in breach of the dimension rule. The rule doesn't make clear what dimensions are in mind, so the defence would be that the dimensions in question relate to overall length, width, height and wheelbase. Cars eligible under rule L12, so called "mod prod", *are* allowed to move pick up points. I don't think a Se7en fits in to any other of the 2005 classes as per L10.10, but I'll wait to be corrected. I love the blue book. NOT... Stil, this at least may mean that I can moan to the SS eligibility scruter and save 150 quid towards my burger budget, should I find it necessary to moan. I rarely moan about this stuff though, so either way, it looks like I won't be going hungry at events this year. This is very good news indeed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westy Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 In class 2B - As the person who was beaten by Keith ( only by one point ! ) I have no problems with the car even though it is different to mine weight, tyres, engine power, suspension, gearbox, diff ratio etc etc In the end he was just that tiny little bit quicker at most places You should of beaten me Terry, the car had a blown up engine for the last 5 events Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westy Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 2005 Blue Book, L11.3, which, if I read the exemptions correctly, would include Westfields, C******ms, et al. It states: Manufacturers original chassis structure and specification of contruction, dimensions and material. For the purposes of a protest for a moved pick up point at either end, the dimensional change in the chassis structure I would argue as being in breach of the dimension rule. The rule doesn't make clear what dimensions are in mind, so the defence would be that the dimensions in question relate to overall length, width, height and wheelbase. Cars eligible under rule L12, so called "mod prod", *are* allowed to move pick up points. I don't think a Se7en fits in to any other of the 2005 classes as per L10.10, but I'll wait to be corrected. I love the blue book. NOT... Stil, this at least may mean that I can moan to the SS eligibility scruter and save 150 quid towards my burger budget, should I find it necessary to moan. I rarely moan about this stuff though, so either way, it looks like I won't be going hungry at events this year. This is very good news indeed... Self arguing protests, can't argue with that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westy Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 As ISM has said, and as I explained already, the posting was a *very* poor attempt at making a play on Westys signature, and a bit of a wind up. A poor one, but that was it. I had no ulterior motives, and I meant no offence. And I have apologised for it and withdrawn the offending section of the posting. What more can I do? It was an honest mistake by me. OK fine. Problem is last year there were numerous comments about the car being not being legal, some directly (thanks to the people for those) and some indirectly. I'm afraid Blatters you accidentally got the brunt of my frustration on the subject. It certainly has been an introduction to motorsport! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arm Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 2005 Blue Book, L11.3, which, if I read the exemptions correctly, would include Westfields, C******ms, et al. It states: Are Westfields Roadgoing Production cars or Roadgoing Specialised Production Cars I believe mine is a Roadgoing Specialised Production Car. When it was produced that model did not meet 11.1.1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windy Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 Are Westfields Roadgoing Production cars or Roadgoing Specialised Production Cars In my opinion a kit or component car built by an individual falls into neither of these categories. Most MSA classes define the category as "Road Modified Kit Cars", not "Production Specialist Cars". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arm Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 So which section are they covered under in the BB ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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