oioi Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 Any chance of a change in the rules so I can drive my Westie in the novice roadgoing with an aeroscreen class Mr S? im with you (if i ever have the spare cash to get around to getting an entry). a novice driver with an aeroscreen (cos thats how I like my road car). so its you and me in a class of our own . seeing as this will be a friendly class of two, you dont mind if i use yoko A048's do you? OiOi Quote
Turbo Tommo Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 Hi me again, can't believe how far this thread is going. Thanks Guy for the clarification on pick up points, however........ Why would it say in L 12.3.1 that pick up points MAY be moved for non roadgoing. Surely it would say the same for roadgoing were it true. So, because it isn't sanctioned for roadgoing, do we then assume it isn't allowed??? Tommo Quote
SteveD Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 as guy said tommo both ash's car and guy's old car have retained there origonal pick up points but fitted bolt on extensions there for retaining the ORIGONAL pick up point therefore it has not been moved and i know ash is a mate and i don't want to blow his trumpet or make him blush ,but i think he deserves some congratulations this year with probably one of the most eligable cars out there he has taken quite a few class records ,and especially for what went on at shelsley , and for that stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuupid 4x4 sierra headrest thats on it ( it's time it went ash ,its doing your street cred no good ) ,also i have never seen anyone as happy as stu graham at anglsey for knocking two seconds of his previous years time and well done everyone else who has done well this year whatever you drive ,legal or illegal cars Quote
neilwillis Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 Any chance of a change in the rules so I can drive my Westie in the novice roadgoing with an aeroscreen class Mr S? im with you (if i ever have the spare cash to get around to getting an entry). a novice driver with an aeroscreen (cos thats how I like my road car). so its you and me in a class of our own . seeing as this will be a friendly class of two, you dont mind if i use yoko A048's do you? OiOi You can use any tyres you like as long as you don't go faster than me Quote
oioi Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 You can use any tyres you like as long as you don't go faster than me as i dont expect to be going quickly then that sounds allreet to me Quote
neilwillis Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 You'll be wanting the "Red Zetec powered SEi wide driven by anone called Neil Willis" Class then The Q started 13 pages ago If we did that, I might stand a chance of coming at least second then Quote
windy Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 SS has a ruling that bans pushrods The original quote read "If the SS has a ruling that bans pushrods". I think there are a lot of "IF's" that are being talked about on here that may be interpreted as rules already in place. I wasn't suggesting that the SS already had a ruling on this, but like other people, may be getting worried that for next year some of the topics of dicussion on here might become the written rule. Quote
guy g Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 Why would it say in L 12.3.1 that pick up points MAY be moved for non roadgoing. Surely it would say the same for roadgoing were it true. So, because it isn't sanctioned for roadgoing, do we then assume it isn't allowed??? Answers in the same order. No idea - probably because this bit of regulation for non-roadgoing has been "tested" through official protest at some stage Not necessarily - (see above) and the BB is often very vague anyway No in this case - the ruling I mentioned above (nothing written, it was an informal request for rules clarification - it occurred at Croft in 2002 with regard to the SBD front suspension modifications on Mark S's car) As far as I can see Ash's car is totally legal - he has competed successfully in the Midland Championship and they are sticklers for eligibility. His records at Midland Championship venues will stand as valid Championship records and they would not allow that if there was doubt over eligibility. My car was (and Keith's still is as far as I can see) also totally legal - it's eligibility was checked by scrutineers on many occassions as a result of "complaints" from other (slower)competitors. Developing a successful car is about lots of little things and pushing each as far as you can within the rules - that's motorsport. I think it's also true that regulation designed to slow down successful competitors almost never results in the less successful ones catching up - look at F1. There is much more to winning and setting records regularly than the odd few tweaks that seem to be everyone's focus on here. Surely energy would be better spent elsewhere. It's a sad fact of life that some wouldn't win if they had every legal (and illegal) modification possible, and those that do win a lot probably would anyway without them. I can't help but think that the best way to solve all these problems is to bring the WSS technical regulations back in-line with other front running national championships such as the Midland. This is not a "beef" with the WSS at all Tommo - I just happen to believe that the best way forward for sprinting and hillclimbing in general is consistant regulation. That way we all play on the same level field whatever type of car or part of the country we come from. Quote
SteveD Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 all exept welshy though guy ahhhhhhhhhhhh well of to test my judd V10 powered 4 wheel drive class 2B roadgoing westfield Quote
Turbo Tommo Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 So, as I'm still a reletive newcomer and only just getting to grips with the rules (e.g. Tommogate) It would appear that you can do anything unless the BB specifically tells you not. I'm fine with that and FWIW, although I didn't used to, I totally agree with bringing the SS into line with the majority. Ash, Mark, I'm not having a b***h either, just learning! This is a great forum to ask on and get informed opinions. Guys was the only informed opinion with precedent to back it up. Tommo Quote
SteveD Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 Why can Mark Smith run with solid tonneau and Ash Mason with altered front suspension pick-up points, when the BB prohibits both, and there is no dispensation in the SS regs. Where the f**k is that written as prohibited. Cos it aint in the blue book and it aint in the SS regs. Well done Tommo another informed opinion tommo Quote
ian crocker Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 Concerning Peter C's 256bhp 1.8 K series and the reduction in power by going to 1700cc, Mike Bees has a 1.7k series that most of you have probably seen and it makes 242bhp and is completely streetable unlike some others. Quote
Arm Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 That is quite remarkable. Often thought about making a short stroke XE. At 1700 CC, seriously oversquare, with the same head potential and block stiffness of the 2L it might be capable of similar figures and good reliability ? Quote
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