I have a dream.

[SteveD]

weby whats wrong with publicly attacking people    i do it all the time to welshy   though i do feel things should be made official if people think they have a valid point !

[Mrs Westy]

weby whats wrong with publicly attacking people    i do it all the time to welshy  

...and Janet.  Don't forget Janet...

[Turbo Tommo]

As I said, it's a discussion. I merely used you and Miffy as examples not protests, using a rhetorical question. If you think you're OK then that's fine.

I repeat, no one is protesting, just clarifying. Put your dummies back in ladies

[Turbo Tommo]

well defended Ash, im with you on that one, people seem to bend the blue book to to back their own cause, rather than read what is actually written.

Precisely

[RICHARD+PHILIP]

So when are next years regs due for release?

so we can start to talk about what is rather than what might have been.

[DickieB]

If folks want to clarify a bb rule then log a protest with the MSA, dont just decide how you want to read it and then publicly attack based on your interpretation

And then hopefully the MSA will clarify the rules in future BBs and we will get less "interpretation" which can only be a good thing.

[ACW]

If folks want to clarify a bb rule then log a protest with the MSA, dont just decide how you want to read it and then publicly attack based on your interpretation

And then hopefully the MSA will clarify the rules in future BBs and we will get less "interpretation" which can only be a good thing.

ohhh look a flying pig.....

[Blatman]

L 11.7.1 Suspension configuration must remain standard.

Yep if it's double wishbone suspension, it must stay double wishbone suspension. Live axle must remain live axle etc. Last time I looked at ashes car it still looked to have double wishbones on it - complies with blue book then, yes

I heard an interesting interpretation of the rule today....

"original configuration" could be interpreted to mean that, apart from it remaining double un-equal length wishbones with coil overs, but to include the moving of pick up point thus:

If the pick up points are moved, the position of the wishbones releative to each other is different than when compared to a standard chassis. This means that the configuration has in fact been altered, making the moving of up points illegal for the road going classes.

Of course, this would need a protest and subsequent clarification from the MSA. I have no desire to protest...

[smithy]

blatman get a dictionary and learn what the word configuration means!

[RICHARD+PHILIP]

So next year I will fit to my std chassis a 245 bhp 1700 Vaux 16v and I take it this will be OK

Ouch that hurt!:-)

Yes absoloutly Ash But you won't have 5 people in your class so you won't get maximum points and you won't win the championship All because the people who have graduated into the Expert class this year will think they don't have a chance and not bother attending/ or maybe switch classes.

Keep it Real As Ali G says

PS Sequential boxes Not a problem with me in fact it would probably help us little guys more than you 2l guys.

PPS 245BHP requires methanol which is definatly not road legal

[Blatman]

According to the thesaurus contained in MSWord, Configuration can mean:

Arrangement.

Organisation.

Construction.

Make-up.

Constitution.

Formation.

Compositon.

Formation stands out as being relevant in this case, as the formation of the susepnsion is altered....

Arrangement and organisation could be substituted to mean the same too...

According to the Cambridge Advanced Learners Dictionary, Configuration has the following definition:

configuration   [show phonetics]

noun

1 [C] FORMAL OR SPECIALIZED the particular arrangement or pattern of a group of related things

Moving the pick ups alters the pattern/arrangement of the wishbones, from being parralel (almost) to being a good deal less than parralel, so I'll stand by my assertion above...

If you'd like I'll find some more definitions of the word for you

Sorry about that last sentence. Just found it ironic that a welshman is trying to give me English lessons...

I'll get me coat...

[Blatman]

PPS 245BHP requires methanol which is definatly not road legal

Er, wrong.. BUT it wasn't a Vx. Peter Carmichaels K series had over 250bhp on unleaded, although it was a 1.8. I'm not sure how much power you'd lose dropping it down to 1.7, but for sure it'd be plenty powerful enough, and not require methanol. It'd be lighter too...

[Arm]

Blatters

Therefore formation would cover changing any of the following; the castor angle the top wishbone angle the ride height the wishbone length the wishbone cross section the wishbone end plates.

I think if configuration were protested it would eliminate 3/4 of the cars.

Role on a protest  

[mhc]

Stevie  Bs  1700cc has a claimed 256 bhp ; going by danglers time at the  Brighton Speeds Trails the mans telling no fibs. So big Horsepower and very light weight may be the way to go.Regards. Sorry for previous error (156). I am enjoying the sun and drinking San Miguel- it must be going to my head! Read this as my postcard to you all. Having a good time, wish you were here! Mick & Jan

[Blatman]

Blatters

Therefore formation would cover changing any of the following; the castor angle the top wishbone angle the ride height the wishbone length the wishbone cross section the wishbone end plates.

I think if configuration were protested it would eliminate 3/4 of the cars.

I know, but it's interesting to see how selective we can all be. I'm with you though, it could be interpreted to mean any deviation from what Westfield Sportscars determine is the "standard" position for all these things. This is why the MSA leave it vague, 'cos this is a huge minefield which could never be legislated for, IMO.

For the record (again), I have no issue with the movement of pick up points or camber/castor angles, or wishbone length, I'm just enjoying the analysis....

Although on the final point of wishbones, Westfield do make wide track 'bones, so I think that they should be allowed as an original part, should this friendly banter go horribly tits up and we get a raft of new rules...