I have a dream.

[davidgh]

Tommo

We fully understood the situation this year; rules are normally made for sensible reasons. My comment was primarily about the irony of bemoaned lack of entries whilst keen types are knocking on the door.

You may be sure that (providing there is still a novices' class for us non-Westy perverts ) we shall not be late for the 2005 registration.

David

[woodman]

You may be sure that (providing there is still a novices' class for us non-Westy perverts ) we shall not be late for the 2005 registration.

David

David and Guy

It was a good job that you were too late as your[guy] time at curb would have made you SS expert for next year!!

You would have become expert with very little experience,and no chance to try for class A o/a [or SS] in 2005!

I propose a change to 3 no  16 point wins to avoid this happening at first events.[it happened to me and completely changed my plans for 2003!]

Do others think the one win rule is too low?

[Arm]

Do those people who accuse others of having illegal cars or of bending the rules have a clear understanding if their OWN cars are fully legal / eligible ?  I'm sure we could look at the accusors cars and find questionable things to disuss by posting on the club forum.

Pots and Kettles.

Oh

Glad to be back in the UK by the way.

Ash  

[Arm]

Why can Mark Smith run with solid tonneau and Ash Mason with altered front suspension pick-up points, when the BB prohibits both, and there is no dispensation in the SS regs.

Where the f**k is that written as prohibited. Cos it aint in the blue book and it aint in the SS regs.

Well done Tommo

[Arm]

And another thing whilst I'm at it; how about those people who have upgraded their original car engines from CVH / X flow to VX or K series or Toyotas is that not also outside the spirit of the Speed Series ?

Mmmmm, I suspect many would argue this is an acceptable standard and cost and its only mods above this level that are deemed unacceptable.

So next year I will fit to my std chassis a 245 bhp 1700 Vaux 16v and I take it this will be OK

[mhc]

Calm down Ash; its only the speed series

[mud]

having just read this load of sour grapes i'm going to have egg and chips to cheer me up, i suggest the finger pointers have the same

[Turbo Tommo]

Why can Mark Smith run with solid tonneau and Ash Mason with altered front suspension pick-up points, when the BB prohibits both, and there is no dispensation in the SS regs.

Where the f**k is that written as prohibited. Cos it aint in the blue book and it aint in the SS regs.

Well done Tommo

L 11.7.1 & L 12.4.8. Hey, mines illegal coz I got no heater L 11.4.7 & I've moved the engine back L11.5.1. Calm down it's a discussion not a jury.

[Arm]

L 11.7.1 & L 12.4.8.

L 11.7.1 Suspension configuration must remain standard.

Thats all it says. No reference to pickup points from what I can see unless your 2004 BB is different to my 2004 BB.

And mine is unequal length wishbones with coil over shock and this paragraph is about the suspension configuration and not the chassis. Its so vague how can you make the statement about it being prohibited.

[Turbo Tommo]

As I said, it's a discussion. I merely used you and Miffy as examples not protests, using a rhetorical question. If you think you're OK then that's fine. If it's offended you in any way then I apologise, it certainly wasn't meant to.

[windy]

L 11.7.1 Suspension configuration must remain standard.

Yep if it's double wishbone suspension, it must stay double wishbone suspension. Live axle must remain live axle etc. Last time I looked at ashes car it still looked to have double wishbones on it - complies with blue book then, yes

[Arm]

Thanks Windy.

Seemed to me we were discussing a rule that did not exist and then using it too frequently as an example.

If this misunderstanding became fact then we would be in danger of excluding most of class D and would lose them to other championships or classes.

I've really appreciated the kind comments about our performance this year, I'm OK with the scoring system and discussing other options is fine.

I've not spent serious amounts of money on the car but have put a lot of time and effort into making it work. So I suggest you can develop a car on a reasonable budget and a novice can move to expert status and with effort do well. But if you dont do some develoment and spend some money then where is the future for the Speed Series and the SS driver. If we dont allow development or modifications even within a defined class then the classes and the Series will dry up.

Therefore I support Guys previous statement and the items discussed by Mick.

Sprinting and hillclimbing has never been a one make controlled type championship as the 750MC and thats the reason it appealed to so many of us; it was free from tight rules and restrictions.

If you want controlled racing then do another series as well.

Ash

[DickieB]

a one make controlled type championship as the 750MC

and

If you want controlled racing then do another series as well.

Yep.  I do, and it's much cheaper because you can't upgrade (just so long as you don't damage it or get it damaged for you)

Dickie

[smithy]

well defended Ash, im with you on that one, people seem to bend the blue book to to back their own cause, rather than read what is actually written.

[ACW]

Ash - preciesly the point I made previously. If folks want to clarify a bb rule then log a protest with the MSA, dont just decide how you want to read it and then publicly attack based on your interpretation. The speed series SRs also only state suspension configuration must remain the same (ie Coil over shocker unequal DWbone) and the thinking as I understand it is to prevent someone trying to use pull/rod push rod etc.