scott beeland Posted July 15, 2004 Posted July 15, 2004 ...all the evil seem to live for ever. Not when they end up with us Quote
Guest Posted July 15, 2004 Posted July 15, 2004 scott actually its not a generalisation .its a fact, its why the police in the southern counties are comming down hard on the bikers ......... drive quick down a country lane and you live by a prayer its a case of when .and the risks are high .......... it only takes one car on your side of the road and the fact you are blatting along puts you in a much higer risk of an accident ...........it might sound like preaching but i hate an have good reason for condemming so called fish and chip runs ...... there have been so many bad accidents doing this down country lanes its untrue. Quote
scott beeland Posted July 15, 2004 Posted July 15, 2004 Some valid points Harv....but there are those that enjoy a sunny blat; indeed there are those who bought/ built their car just for sunny blatting; just as you choose to keep yours exclusively on track.You pays yer money........ You are entitled to your opinion but no need for you to "condemn" the country road blatters....and what the hell is a fish and chip run? Quote
YouMustBeJoking Posted July 15, 2004 Posted July 15, 2004 Harv has a point about the country lanes. It particularly applies when blatting in the company of other Westfields. Still smiling after following steppenwolf and mb839 back from the Parrot on Tuesday. Quote
Guest Posted July 15, 2004 Posted July 15, 2004 yep .a group of cars blatting is fun but it just narrows the odds............ Quote
Guest Posted July 15, 2004 Posted July 15, 2004 scott i say all this having seen some of the antics on elise runs .....and yes the westy is for the track but both the 205 and the elise are fun country road cars .. we keep the people carrier for the boring stuff Quote
oioi Posted July 15, 2004 Posted July 15, 2004 As I say, you pay your money and you take your choice. However I think my head is worth every penny of £200 and I even plan to spend 5 times that on a cage when funds allow. that comment stinks of hypocrisy! you imply that I shouldnt spend my money on track days and instead spend my money on an RAC roll bar because the standard roll bar is inadequate. you then state that you are going for a cage, as an RAC roll bar is inadequate. but admit you are not doing it until funds allow. where are your funds going at the moment? are you still driving your westy i suggest you stop until its safe enough. btw whats the next must have after a roll cage? bull bars Quote
juansolo Posted July 15, 2004 Posted July 15, 2004 Point me to where I said the RAC bar was inadequate. I want a cage for other reasons including it's increased safety features. Calm down dude. As I say you pay you money. It is of no concern to me what you do and what your priorities are. I was simply stating mine. Quote
Guest Posted July 15, 2004 Posted July 15, 2004 btw whats the next must have after a roll cage? a powerfull engine and some talent Quote
markg Posted July 15, 2004 Posted July 15, 2004 i treat my car as a four wheeled motorcycle! bikes have no rollbars! i look out for the idiot who is pulling out from a junction i always expect a tractor to pull out of a gateway! i drive a tractor i do it! i try to behave when carrying a passenger! the handling is not the same and i am responsible for them! Quote
v7slr Posted July 15, 2004 Posted July 15, 2004 Interesting topic. I've enjoyed reading through this and admit that I can't understand why anyone would think the standard bar is adequate. Even the Caterham standard bar with rear braces looks insubstantial to me but I accept people's right to choose. I chose a cage and I now think my cage is too insubstantial, so I'm saving for a better one. I already have 6-point harnessed on both sides. I'm looking into side protection too, but so far it appears to preclude the use of opening doors. I use the hood on occasions so need to be able to open the doors. If I go for an aeroscreen I can dispense with all that and go in through the top of the cage. I might yet. Been talking about it long enough. So, I understand choice but I don't understand why. Why, when presented with that choice, would anyone choose the obviously inferior version of a rollover bar. Even my Mom can see that a hoop with no internal bracing is less substantial than one with. Are there any Project Managers here? You know Risks Assessments then. You judge Impact against Probability and come out with a Risk. If you think that the Probability of a rollover is slight, it weighs in your favour for not taking the ultimate precautions. However the Impact of a rollover has to be viewed as serious, which weighs in favour of taking more precautions. Your view of one over the other is your personal judgement of the risk. For me, I accept that I drive fast in V7 therefore the trade-off was spending more on safety. Others might not need to. I've seen some fast drivers on tour, and yet they have that "safe" look in their eyes. They don't cross over into loony-land ever. For them I can accept that their assessment of the Risk is lower than mine. But, it was not my mode of use which led me to installing a cage. It was that I could not accept a passenger in my car without having taken every precaution. In PM terms I judged the Probability as Low but the Impact made me shudder at the thought. I now feel I have a reasonable Containment for that Risk, but I'm intending to improve upon even that over the next 12 months. I like passengers. Makes the occasion more of an occasion. And for those Dax owners, it's obvious that the rollover hoop is several inches lower than their heads, when seated properly. What's that all about? Who is kidding who? Why bother at all if it doesn't do anything? It's not even far enough forward to use as a headrest. The chap in the folding Westfield rollhoop is called Gordon. He was new to Se7ens and in his exuberance lost control on his maiden journey (IIRC) leading to that horrible accident. It is true that his arm was of limited use for a good while after the accident and he'll probably never try another Se7en again. I'll try to find out more about him. He lives near to another Westy-owning friend of mine in Helensborough, North of Glasgow. The chap in the damaged Caterham was apparently the victim of a French driver's tendency to cut the corner, or go for the racing line. He was basically run off the road. I like orange Westy's rollcage. I think I shall look for something similar for V7 and sod the hood. Quote
Matt Lucas Posted July 16, 2004 Posted July 16, 2004 7 pages and most of it is well worth the read. Interestingly, our Aussie importer refers to the standard bar as a "dress bar" or "high level brake light mount". Similarly, we don't have regulations requiring the bar to be tested. Unlike the UK we have very stringent rules on torsional and bending strengths for our chassis and to meet this requirement he fits side intrusion protection and a steel floor. I for one will be fitting a CAMS approved bar which is similar to the RAC job but requires X bracing and to be higher than the head. Obviously there is less reason to fit a hood over here Matt Quote
oioi Posted July 16, 2004 Posted July 16, 2004 Calm down dude. fair point to take V7's point, I have done my risk assessment and come up with an answer that I am comftorble with. Quote
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