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Got the cash, garage is cleared, want to start buliding within 6 weeks or so.

Question is, for the first build, can anyone recommend best engine / box combination? Got an old stock 2l pinto + escort 4 speed sat in the garage which I was going to use, but looking through some of the threads, most of the new ones use Zetecs or Vaux engines with MT75 boxes.

Bear in mind that it's a tight budget build....Your thoughts will be appreciated!

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Blatman

Use a type 9, NOT the MT75.

Vx's are generally more powerful as "standard" than a Zetec.

Duratec's are the "next big thing" but aren't anywhere near fully developed yet, so I wouldn't fit one of those yet.

So, Vx or Zetec. This battle has been done to death, so have a search of the forums by using the handy search button, top right of the page....

Oh, and Welcome :)

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predawson

Personally I would say if you have a pinto then use it. They are heavier than all the other engine choices but they have a better torque curve than an equivalent Zetec with the same bhp. They are cheap to upgrade and when Duratecs are fully developed and a bit cheaper to obtain you can upgrade because the exhaust exits on the same side as the pinto.

Depends how important weight is too you in the short term.

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neilwillis

The question you should answer first is what is it going to be used for.

True, the Type 9 is better for sprinting because it has alternative gear sets available when you want to change ratios.   However, if you want a road car, I'd argue that the MT75 is a better proposition because it has a suitable bell housing to bolt straight to the Zetec, and will therefore cost less.   It also has a good road going set of ratios when used with the off-the-shelf Sierra 3.62 ratio diff.

Another factor is the fact that Westfields supply all the parts required for a Zetec/MT75 combo, whereas the VX lump will cost more to install.

Just a thought.

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As you live in my part of the country (County Durham according to your profile), why not come along and have a look at my build (SDV + pinto) and I'll talk you into buying second hand  :D Send me a mail and we can arrange a meeting.

Seriously though, the pinto is a well known and very capable engine and best of all if you break it you can get a replacement for about £50.

Stevo

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neilwillis

OMG!

I didn't even suggest joining the club would be a good move :0:0:0

Best value for money you will get on any £25.00 spent during the build :D

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adhawkins

Different propshaft, engine and gearbox mounts (probably) and other stuff I think.

For a 'drop in' solution, I think Zetec -> MT75 is the route to go, type 9 needs a little more 'fiddling' (technical term there).

I think.

Andy

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Blatman
Er, you have to buy the prop from Westfield no matter what 'box you have, so you spec a type 9 prop from the get go, and the same will apply for the engine and gearbox mounts too...
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adhawkins

Ok...I'll take your word for it. Just going from the mods Rob had to do when converting from MT75 to type 9.

Andy

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Zetecs can be had for £250 ish at a scrappy.

Shouldn't bother even opening it. Mine had done over 90k miles and is still good.

For average road use I'd suggest very little to choose between std type 9 / MT75. However when upgradeistus sets in the type 9 is the one to have.

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i bought an sd1 donor for my seight! cost £50 for engine and box ! well really i was about £200 in profit after shifting the unwanted sd1 bits on ebay!

the tubular manifolds made £182 :D

after reconditioning and some bulls*** it is an 04 reg seight, sounds and goes very well and cost under 10k to build :D

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