neilwillis Posted June 14, 2004 Posted June 14, 2004 At least the majority of F1 teams are solvent, you never see a driver rolling round on the floor in mock agony after he's been taken out, and the fans don't knock seven bells out of one another after the race. And coming second in a grand prix isn't quite as bad as coming second in a football match Quote
david.c Posted June 14, 2004 Posted June 14, 2004 At least the majority of F1 teams are solvent, you never see a driver rolling round on the floor in mock agony after he's been taken out, Apart from all the ones that have gone bust over the years They tend to throw their crash helmets at the garage wall instead David P.S. I prefer racing to football Quote
Chris Elworthy Posted June 14, 2004 Posted June 14, 2004 I can't believe what I am reading. This is England we are talking about, if you don't like football then fine (and I guess you were the ones who got picked last at school anyway and preferred to stay inside for stamp club) but why should your dislike of a sport be a reason for many many people to passionately want their country to be successful. For many weeks before the match common belief was that a loss in the first game to France would not be a disaster and qualification for the knock out stages still a real possibility, that fact is no different now. What is different is that for a good proportion of the game England were very much on top against the favourites and now everyone knows what the England team are capable of. Wih respect to comments about players salaries, yes we mere mortals would love salaries at those levels however most of us chose careers where mostly we make up the numbers in the market place, there are people in most careers who are superstars in their field and can command very high salaries, and by the way you rarely see an England player writhing in agony (and this is written by a passionate Rugby Fan) Lastly: the fans. I was at the game in Lisbon last night. We outnumbered the French support by around 3 to 1 at least, and everyone appluaded their teams efforts at the end both for what they achieved last night and to encourage them for what they need to do for England again on Thursday. Come on England! Quote
neilwillis Posted June 14, 2004 Posted June 14, 2004 Fair comments Chris, and yes, they did look good in the first half. The fans I was talking about are the ones that kicked up in the UK last night - against one another too! Quote
catflap Posted June 14, 2004 Posted June 14, 2004 Why are English people happy to see the team lose? I don't get it Coz, they do it so well Ooo, and yep im another celt Quote
mb893 Posted June 14, 2004 Posted June 14, 2004 I can't believe what I am reading From my point of view, it's the hype... England this, England that, Flags, etc etc... when in fact did an English team win anything at Football, 1966? Lets have a team that can keep out of the red banner press for five minutes, can string a sentence together that doesn't include: "um, err, basicly or parot", and WIN something and I'll stop sniggering. You'll have to forgive me, I've got to go now, the effort of typing this in has quite tuckered me out. Quote
oldman Posted June 14, 2004 Posted June 14, 2004 Really enjoyed last nights game.A skilled contest between two teams of top of the tree abilities in their field.....and thats it Quote
Bob Green Posted June 14, 2004 Posted June 14, 2004 Chris has some good points there. Further to this, we always expect England to win EVERY game they play no matter what, which won't happen. I am certainly not a football fan by any measure but I felt England made some fundamental mistakes that could cost dearly. Probably Beckham wanted to send a text message but was asked to take the penalty! I felt after 90 minutes the match was akin to Manchester United playing Bloxwich. Quote
stu999 Posted June 14, 2004 Posted June 14, 2004 From my point of view, it's the hype... England this, England that, Flags, etc etc... when in fact did an English team win anything at Football, 1966? Lets have a team that can keep out of the red banner press for five minutes, can string a sentence together that doesn't include: "um, err, basicly or parot", and WIN something and I'll stop sniggering. That is exactly how I feel about it too. I would like England to win, but sometimes I feel I would much rather see the team be knocked out early than have football pushed down my throat 24/7. There is probably no other 'sport' on earth that receives so much publicity, and with the added hype of late, it wears a little thin if you dont like the game. This has nothing to do with national pride, after all, we make the K series engine... Quote
Martin Keene Posted June 15, 2004 Posted June 15, 2004 I can't believe what I am reading From my point of view, it's the hype... England this, England that, Flags, etc etc... when in fact did an English team win anything at Football, 1966? Lets have a team that can keep out of the red banner press for five minutes, can string a sentence together that doesn't include: "um, err, basicly or parot", and WIN something and I'll stop sniggering. Yep... that covers most of my feelings on the matter as well. On the subject of salaries, I don't think anybody has good justification to earn £25m a year (using Michael Schmacher as an example, assuming thats what he does earn) plus all the personal sponsors, commisions, merchandise, etc on top of that. There is just no need for it, it would be nice to see a cap on silly salaries like that, but pulling it off would be almost impossible. Oh, and I see the England fans lived up to their reputation last night... 12 arrested by Portugese Police... Quote
Matt Seabrook Posted June 15, 2004 Author Posted June 15, 2004 Salaries seem to me about supply and demand and the player/driver/anyone else is worth what someone will pay for them. How much kudos has David B. or Michael S. brought to their respective organisation? And yes if anybody will offer me £25,000,000 a year then I am all ears. Quote
predawson Posted June 15, 2004 Posted June 15, 2004 The only thing I have against David Beckham is he drives a Ferrari and not a Westfield. What is the man thinking?? Quote
neilwillis Posted June 15, 2004 Posted June 15, 2004 And yes if anybody will offer me £25,000,000 a year then I am all ears. When can you start? I wouldn't even get out of bed for less than £30,000,000 - I'm not cheap you know! Quote
pistonbroke Posted June 15, 2004 Posted June 15, 2004 Once upon a time ,motor sport, football,etc. was an amatur game. It was possible to go to a grand prix for e.g. and walk around the paddock chat to drivers, entrants ,team managers ,mechanics ,and what have you . I expect football was the same . All has been ruined by sponsorship money and the need to be super succesful, it is no longer acceptable to be simply good. We have to win at all costs .anything less is regarded as failure. Beckam would still want to play football and schumacker race cars ,without sponsers money. even if they only got paid a fiver a time. joe public put them up on the pedestal . I believe it now costs £200 or more for the Brit GP this year ! dunno what a Man U ticket costs. for my kinda money I can walk down to the local school field and watch footy for free (more entertaining) My local race track has great club racing where people actually............. wait for it .......... overtake each other! dont see much of that on the box do we All amature sports , thank god. Quote
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