Flying Carrot Steve Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 On 11/04/2024 at 13:20, Ian Kinder (Bagpuss) - Joint Peak District AO said: Sadly not, went from bad to worse. Boat delayed by a day due to poor weather. Specialist moved back a day to suit. Car would crank but not fire, no spark. Loose wire found under dash and got car running, but it wasn't running very well, suspect plug or igintion issue. Tried to warm engine up and it backfired (not unusual for a car on twin webers), however air filter caught fire. Fire put out, but possible slight fuel leak on one carb and dock workers definately don't want car on the ship as it is. Hence it's going a way for a few days to be fixed properly before it's booked back on a boat to Greece. I really feel for the buyer. Hope it gets sorted soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikos Posted April 24 Author Share Posted April 24 just got the quote from the mechanic . the car start but misfire at some rpm’s . do you think that it’s a fair price ? all jobs are in description he gave me priority in other jobs that maybe have . when the car was in the port he gone there and try to started it . he charged me 80 pounds and got a small fire in the filters . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Carrot Steve Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Well he hasn't stated his hourly rate or how many hours he spent on it but I'd suggest it's £80+vat per hour and 14 hours. Looks like he must have spent quite a while on it including driving it too and from the docks. It is quite likely to be a reasonable figure tbh. Charges for mechanics these days are not cheap, my Jag guy was the same hourly rate last year and could even have gone up since I last saw him. The question I always find I'm asking myself is did they actually do all that work and did they actually spend all those hours on it. Unfortunately that's not really something that can easily be disproved. If they have a good reputation then you really have to just trust them I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff oakley Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 I am a bit confused has he done all that work and it is still misfiring? If so has he said what it needs to fix it 100%? If not is there any place in Greece which can sort this out for you? Not the start to Westfield ownership you perhaps wanted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikos Posted April 24 Author Share Posted April 24 just for story some upadate. i had a message from toybox for a westfield sale . he didn’t sell the car so he just knew that the car didn’t work . after some days he sent me messages that the car is in his shop and finally works . he sent me also a video with the car idle for the proof . he sent me a number and tells me to contact with james that he sell the car and he is a trader. i ask james specific if the car starts and drive because in the port needs to be driveble the car . he reply yes the car starts and drive (james is brother andrew owner of toybox ) so is responsible the james about the money that mechanic ask ? and all this delay for delivery if i knew from the start that the car is not start and drive i would have pick another delivery method with less money to pay . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikos Posted April 24 Author Share Posted April 24 2 hours ago, jeff oakley said: I am a bit confused has he done all that work and it is still misfiring? If so has he said what it needs to fix it 100%? If not is there any place in Greece which can sort this out for you? Not the start to Westfield ownership you perhaps wanted yes in greece i know where to fix it 😊 about the misfire he have write some recommendations what to change to be good the car . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rednop1 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 £1500 too not fix the car 😒 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rob Hunter - Club Secretary Posted April 24 Popular Post Share Posted April 24 I probably know a bit more than most on this as a couple of us have been putting in a lot of time (some more than I) trying to help in our own time in the back ground. The car was a non-runner being sold at a very low price for a Westfield of exportable age. It last had an MOT in 2020 and had been sat untouched ever since. James (who was selling the car) managed to get the car started and a video was seen of it ticking over (although not running particularly well). Using contacts from our end, a transport company was sourced for Nikos to get the car to the docks in Bristol and he had sorted the export paperwork. Rather than being container shipped, the car was being exported as a running car (i.e. was to be driven onto and off the ship by the dockworkers). The transport company did not start the car, they winched it onto and off their trailer and it was delivered safely. When the dock workers attempted to start the car they could not. It was assumed that they were not used to an old car running webers. At this point, a helpful member rang various local garages who could attend the dock to get the car started. Paul at Bristol Classics agreed to do this, arriving very early to try and start the car. Unfortunately when the car eventually started (after over 2 hours of fault finding) the carbs were so far out of tune a backfire caused the filters to catch fire. Thankfully Paul managed to extinguish the flames. Bristol Classics then agreed with Nikos that the car be transported to their workshop to get the car running. They spent many hours on it with various electrical and fueling issues. For instance, they found the ignition was permanently on (which they fixed), the fan switch had failed and the fuel was stale (tank drained, system flushed and fresh fuel added). On inspection of the carbs, the 40 webers are of two different types (one from a Lotus and one from an Alfa) with different jets etc. The carbs were dismantled and cleaned along with new jets etc so the car could run with reasonably balanced fueling. While the bill is a lot if money, the car was not in a road legal state (known to have no MOT and be a "barn find"). Bristol Classics have done a lot of work and shared photos and videos at most stages of the work. The sale agreement (who with, what was described etc) is really between the seller and the buyer. It's not something I could or would offer an opinion on in open forum as its not fair on either party without all of the facts. Even with the £1500 spent, the car us still thousands below the price of all other exportable age Westfields I have seen for sale. On a side note, I'd like to thank the people who have helped in the background (you know who you are!). One person in particular has spent hours and hours of his own time liaising with the docks, transport companies and the garage trying to help someone in need. 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Colonial Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 I have altered the post with the invoice in it (blacked out two areas on the invoice) due to the fact it contained highly sensitive bank account details as well as an email address and phone number, which being in a public area could have caused major security issues for the poster. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Carrot Steve Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, Rob Hunter - Club Secretary said: I probably know a bit more than most on this as a couple of us have been putting in a lot of time (some more than I) trying to help in our own time in the back ground. The car was a non-runner being sold at a very low price for a Westfield of exportable age. It last had an MOT in 2020 and had been sat untouched ever since. James (who was selling the car) managed to get the car started and a video was seen of it ticking over (although not running particularly well). Using contacts from our end, a transport company was sourced for Nikos to get the car to the docks in Bristol and he had sorted the export paperwork. Rather than being container shipped, the car was being exported as a running car (i.e. was to be driven onto and off the ship by the dockworkers). The transport company did not start the car, they winched it onto and off their trailer and it was delivered safely. When the dock workers attempted to start the car they could not. It was assumed that they were not used to an old car running webers. At this point, a helpful member rang various local garages who could attend the dock to get the car started. Paul at Bristol Classics agreed to do this, arriving very early to try and start the car. Unfortunately when the car eventually started (after over 2 hours of fault finding) the carbs were so far out of tune a backfire caused the filters to catch fire. Thankfully Paul managed to extinguish the flames. Bristol Classics then agreed with Nikos that the car be transported to their workshop to get the car running. They spent many hours on it with various electrical and fueling issues. For instance, they found the ignition was permanently on (which they fixed), the fan switch had failed and the fuel was stale (tank drained, system flushed and fresh fuel added). On inspection of the carbs, the 40 webers are of two different types (one from a Lotus and one from an Alfa) with different jets etc. The carbs were dismantled and cleaned along with new jets etc so the car could run with reasonably balanced fueling. While the bill is a lot if money, the car was not in a road legal state (known to have no MOT and be a "barn find"). Bristol Classics have done a lot of work and shared photos and videos at most stages of the work. The sale agreement (who with, what was described etc) is really between the seller and the buyer. It's not something I could or would offer an opinion on in open forum as its not fair on either party without all of the facts. Even with the £1500 spent, the car us still thousands below the price of all other exportable age Westfields I have seen for sale. On a side note, I'd like to thank the people who have helped in the background (you know who you are!). One person in particular has spent hours and hours of his own time liaising with the docks, transport companies and the garage trying to help someone in need. It sounds to me that Paul did a lot of work and lots of hours. I think the bill is probably spot on in that case. It can take a lot of time and effort to get non-runners going and from what I've read he's done a great job getting to the bottom of many issues. Never plain sailing with kits is it! Sorry about the sailing pun 😂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff oakley Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 That makes the thing look better. With two mismatched carbs it will not run best. hopefully it will make the next boat okay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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