Dommo Posted January 22 Posted January 22 20 minutes ago, CosKev said: Current prices will rise in April,normally £20 a year iirc but this year probably more as they try and force everyone into a woke EV🤬 Nope, from April EVs will be more expensive to tax than those low CO2 diesels that have been crucified over the last few years. Got to love a bit of government thinking... they'll even attract the luxury car tax! 1 Quote
Kingster Posted January 22 Posted January 22 7 hours ago, Jimbo93 said: Sorry, do you mean that they're all classed as PLG therefore all cost the same? No differences between registration years? Yes Quote
Jimbo93 Posted January 22 Posted January 22 Thank you everyone. I didn't appreciate the price was regardless of age. If only it was done per KG 🥲 1 Quote
Captain Colonial Posted January 22 Posted January 22 43 minutes ago, Jimbo93 said: Thank you everyone. I didn't appreciate the price was regardless of age. If only it was done per KG 🥲 That would rather depend on whether it was weighed with or without the driver. If it was with, I’d attached to another object by an inclined plane wrapped helically around an axis: 1 Quote
Euan Hoosearmy Posted January 22 Posted January 22 As a skinny git, there would be a marketable opportunity for me to offer a service of taking cars to be weighed... 🙂 1 Quote
corsechris Posted January 22 Posted January 22 I’ll still be paying the grand sum of £0 for my 2016 hybrid. Glad I sold the old Jeep though, that would be costing me £725 (£735 - £10 for having LPG). Much like the free charging for Teslas, any incentive is going to end sooner or later, and so often, they never seem to really help those that need it. And, of course, most schemes that purport to make something more attractive by offering some kind of grant or discount to the buyer is just going to end up putting the money in the pocket of someone along the chain rather than actually benefiting the buyer. I got a ‘grant’ to have a charger put in at home when I got the hybrid. Oddly, the cost of having it installed managed to soak up the total of the grant….so it still cost me the same as just buying the charger myself and paying a sparky to connect it. Even more galling given I had supplied and installed the cable myself because I wanted a route I knew they would charge extra for. 1 Quote
Nick Algar - Competition Secretary Posted January 22 Posted January 22 7 hours ago, corsechris said: I’ll still be paying the grand sum of £0 for my 2016 hybrid. Glad I sold the old Jeep though, that would be costing me £725 (£735 - £10 for having LPG). Much like the free charging for Teslas, any incentive is going to end sooner or later, and so often, they never seem to really help those that need it. And, of course, most schemes that purport to make something more attractive by offering some kind of grant or discount to the buyer is just going to end up putting the money in the pocket of someone along the chain rather than actually benefiting the buyer. I got a ‘grant’ to have a charger put in at home when I got the hybrid. Oddly, the cost of having it installed managed to soak up the total of the grant….so it still cost me the same as just buying the charger myself and paying a sparky to connect it. Even more galling given I had supplied and installed the cable myself because I wanted a route I knew they would charge extra for. No free stuff in the UK anymore, you'll pay for it one way or another. ! Quote
CosKev Posted January 22 Posted January 22 13 hours ago, Dommo said: Nope, from April EVs will be more expensive to tax than those low CO2 diesels that have been crucified over the last few years. Got to love a bit of government thinking... they'll even attract the luxury car tax! Yeah EVs are going to be charged,but you are living in a dream world if you think PLG VED won't go up!🤣 Quote
Jimbo93 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 Chris Harris & friends had a good discussion about this on a recent podcast. The affects on the roads that massively heavy EVs are having on them and the idea of taxing by weight, all of a sudden manufacturers would be incentivised to build lightweight, hyper efficient little petrol & diesels. If only they'd focussed on that 15 years ago instead of 2.5t barges that obsess over 0-60 instead of efficiency. 🙃 2 Quote
corsechris Posted January 23 Posted January 23 Of course, those super lightweight 4x4s so essential for the school run are fine. This country has adopted the american dream of beating the roads and other road users into submission with ever larger & heavier vehicles, EVs just being a small part of the problem. 2024 “Mini”, ICE 1360kg, EV version 1680kg A fair system would be vehicle weight and miles and emissions, assuming anyone actually cares about that. But when has life ever been fair? 1 Quote
Jimbo93 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 47 minutes ago, corsechris said: Of course, those super lightweight 4x4s so essential for the school run are fine. This country has adopted the american dream of beating the roads and other road users into submission with ever larger & heavier vehicles, EVs just being a small part of the problem. 2024 “Mini”, ICE 1360kg, EV version 1680kg A fair system would be vehicle weight and miles and emissions, assuming anyone actually cares about that. But when has life ever been fair? To be clear, I wasn't trying to target EVs. As you say, SUVs are everywhere too. Heavy car = safe car. How do I survive a crash with a big car? Buy a bigger one 🤦♂️ 1 Quote
corsechris Posted January 23 Posted January 23 I absolutely agree about the stupidity of focussing on 0-60 times and enormous ranges rather than 'sensible' cars.....but let's be honest, very few vocal people want a 'sensible' car, and marketing is invariably based on what people demand, or the thing doesn't sell. That said, the most popular car in the UK last year was the Ford Puma, so perhaps we should just ignore all the marketeers. (2nd, 3rd & 4th were SUVs, 5th was Apartheid Clive's Model Y crossover.....) I have 3 stupid cars at the moment, the Westfield, the Midlana and an MB Hybrid, yet I barely need 1 car, and that car could do 80% of my annual mileage with about 20 miles of range. As for performance, my hybrid has a sub 6 second 0-60 that I think I tried once for fun, but most of the time it gets driven like Miss Daisy is in the back. And yet.....I'd want an EV that could do a decent 0-60 time and have a worst-case range in the 200 mile region as a minimum. Go figure, as the septics would say. 1 Quote
Captain Colonial Posted January 23 Posted January 23 Logic frequently escapes some people. Richard Branson was in a multiple rollover accident on the M40 while driving his Range Rover and emerged almost unscathed. He used the logic that the car had protected him in an accident to purchase a fleet of them to use as limos for first class Virgin passengers being transported to Gatwick, claiming they were safer. The fact was that if he hadn’t been driving a vehicle with a high centre of gravity, he might well have avoided being in a rollover accident to begin with. 2 1 Quote
dvd8n Posted January 23 Posted January 23 There is an easy to apply tax scheme that would automatically reflect fuel efficiency and usage, that being tax on fuel. The government could abolish VED and put fuel tax up. But of course, governments being what they are, never wanting to leave any revenue stream unexploited, they'd just bring VED back and we'd just end up with VED and higher fuel tax. 3 Quote
Paul Baker - Bristol Bath and Cotswold AO Posted March 1 Posted March 1 Having just paid for a year’s tax for my Westfield I can’t believe the cost now - £345 ! I swear it was much less than that a few years ago. I assume we’re all paying the same, or something similar, and I’m not missing a trick? Quote
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