Mark Stanton Posted February 15, 2004 Posted February 15, 2004 How about people (who care) offering items at member and non-member prices? Good idea but difficult I think a time delay is an excellent idea That sounds a good one Gives WSCC members firts dibs and still allows items for public sale if members don't snap it up
Blatman Posted February 15, 2004 Posted February 15, 2004 I agree. Time delay, a'la Loot sounds like the least controversial way forward.
ACW Posted February 15, 2004 Posted February 15, 2004 My thoughts would be that we *could* implement time based sale adverts, but if we were to go down that route that it be for a short period so as not to upset the guy who is trying to sell who is by definition a WSCC member. I think that online Credit Card membership application that will be implemented in march will be the way to help folks join up who are using the service. IME if people have to write a cheque and fill out a form they cant get around to it.
Nick Algar - Competition Secretary Posted February 15, 2004 Posted February 15, 2004 Couple of days time delay sounds good to me. But agree with Adrian, online credit card, got to attract more people. The easier you make it the more you get
Westfieldman Posted February 15, 2004 Posted February 15, 2004 How about people (who care) offering items at member and non-member prices? Must be the easiest way if you are bothered about a nonmember getting something cheaper.
v7slr Posted February 15, 2004 Posted February 15, 2004 As someone who'd never have anything to sell that'd be of interest here, nor would find anything of interest to buy, this doesn't really bother me but I worry about restrictions in the same way I worried about them on the "other" forum. I like to think that I am the "net contributor" that you were talking about Mark, but perhaps the truth is that I'm just an inclusive sort of person. I participate in loads of forums so buying into any of them is of no interest to me. It'd be too expensive. You may have noticed I have resigned from the "other" significant forum because of issues similar to this (but far less democratically discussed) but I accept that there is a significantly loud group of people, possibly a majority, who think otherwise to me. On the "other" forum, that I did join as a paid-up member, I was not happy that For Sales were restricted to non-commercial adverts. I felt that some commercial adverts were of interest to me but the majority didn't want them and that's democracy. I hope that my request was understood though and not just dismissed without thought (I suspect not). With this in mind, I understand totally the point that Mike H made, in that he wants to sell to as wide an audience as possible. I would too, in his position. In fact if there was ever a case for becoming a member it's that ONLY members can post adverts. On a site like this, which attracts a good audience, that must be a good reason for paying your subs. Please bear in mind that I've no axe to grind here, nor anything to gain. It's just an opinion, and yes, from a non-member.
scruffythefirst Posted February 15, 2004 Posted February 15, 2004 IME if people have to write a cheque and fill out a form they cant get around to it I will get around to it eventually, i promise Scruffy
S8ight Posted February 15, 2004 Posted February 15, 2004 Please bear in mind that I've no axe to grind here, nor anything to gain. It's just an opinion, and yes, from a non-member. maybee you should have a look at this
v7slr Posted February 15, 2004 Posted February 15, 2004 Damn. I'd have had that, except I can't reply to the ad.
Blatman Posted February 15, 2004 Posted February 15, 2004 But you can message/e-mail the seller.... Now I'm here... In fact if there was ever a case for becoming a member it's that ONLY members can post adverts. On a site like this, which attracts a good audience, that must be a good reason for paying your subs. At last. Some-one who gets it....... As someone who'd never have anything to sell that'd be of interest here, nor would find anything of interest to buy, Never say never.....
Mark Stanton Posted February 15, 2004 Posted February 15, 2004 V7slr (and others) don't lose sight of what comments have been posted - no-one has suggested that any "discussion type" forums would be closed and members only Simply suggestions of initiating something extra for WSCC members to minimise the "free-loader types" who put zippo back into the club - be that membership or positive contributions of help and assistance We certainly ain't ever gonna be going down that "other" route waaaaaaaaaay to serious over there they ain't ever issues in this place
Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) Posted February 15, 2004 Posted February 15, 2004 I heartily agree that the forums should be completely open to members and non-members; Before I joined, I found it enormously useful. But I do think the time delay idea for the sales sections is a good one, though I have to admit, being at the build stage myself, I'm biased I wouldn't want to see too many restrictions though. Realistically, if a for sale section gets too restrictive, people start selling elseware and we all loose out
v7slr Posted February 15, 2004 Posted February 15, 2004 No no no, sorry if I was misunderstood. I totally understand what you are talking about (sales only) but personally disagree that it is in the interests of members to restrict the For Sale section at all. However I say that as a non-member so it is with the utmost humility that I say it at all. From a members point of view: 1. I want to sell to the widest possible audience, therefore no restrictions to those wishing to buy from me. 2. I want to buy from the For Sale section, therefore it benefits me as a member more if the section were restricted to members ONLY. From a non-members point of view: 1. I am unable to sell anything in the For Sale section, hence the "driver" for me paying my subs and becoming a member. 2. I want to buy from the For Sale section, therefore it benefits me as a non-member if it were unrestricted with regards to buyers. As you can see, only the last point in each point of view is conflicting but one of the drivers for paying subs is access to the For Sale section to sell to a wide audience. If there are restrictions on who can buy from that section that prevents the seller from reaching a wide audience you may remove one of the reasons for becoming a member. In my increasingly humble opinion (scrape scrape) you ought to allow anyone to buy therefore giving a powerful members-only selling tool. I do not think that people will pay subs to gain access to buy from that section. It sounds a bit contrary to common practice to limit buyers. If I were a seller, I might be tempted to sell on eBay rather than to a limited audience, however given the obvious attraction this site has to this specific audience, the advantage to a seller is obvious. So, the ability to PM to adverts ought to be only one of the ways. Non-members ought to be encouraged to buy from this site and make it a great place to sell through. It would be an interesting experiment to run 2 parallel universes where one site ran one way, and.... blah blah blah. Blatters... You're right. Never say never. Were it not for the car I've already got with the particular reg plate (transferable, I know) I might be casting around for something different. I like a change now and again, but reckon I'll stick with what I've got now. I don't use it enough anyway. I'd be tempted by one of the fuller bodied cars, like a Fury I reckon. Most of my miles are touring miles, and something with proper doors carries so many advantages (like dry elbows and forearms). I'd also like a BEC one day. That's such a hoot on the road.
oldman Posted February 15, 2004 Posted February 15, 2004 bl****ell,serious thread this,bit like Tolstoys War and Peace. What I'd like to know is why is it that I,m a member but can't upgrade from Members to WSCC member.It keeps telling me I'm already a WSCC member but doesn't show it as such if you catch me drift
adhawkins Posted February 15, 2004 Author Posted February 15, 2004 What I'd like to know is why is it that I,m a member but can't upgrade from Members to WSCC member.It keeps telling me I'm already a WSCC member but doesn't show it as such if you catch me drift That's very odd... I think the best bet is to send an e-mail to the webmaster (webmaster@wscc.co.uk) and ask him to help resolve it. Andy
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