Lyonspride Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 On 01/08/2021 at 21:38, Steve (sdh2903) said: Starting world war 3? Actually he was the first American president in 50 years to not take the US into any new wars, for which he was nominated for the nobel peace prize, but of course very few people know about that because the media didn't report it, and instead set about "slagging off" the people and country that nominated him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 4 hours ago, Lyonspride said: Actually he was the first American president in 50 years to not take the US into any new wars, for which he was nominated for the nobel peace prize, but of course very few people know about that because the media didn't report it, and instead set about "slagging off" the people and country that nominated him. I'm reasonably sure the bar for a Nobel Peace Prize is set somewhat higher that not becoming involved in any new conflicts. Stopping one might have got him on the way but he's hardly Nobel Prize winning stock... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyonspride Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 14 hours ago, Blatman said: I'm reasonably sure the bar for a Nobel Peace Prize is set somewhat higher that not becoming involved in any new conflicts. Stopping one might have got him on the way but he's hardly Nobel Prize winning stock... Barack Obama 2009 for "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples", but I didn't see him going to North Korea or keeping the peace in the middle east, Iran and Israel etc. Obama was known as the Deporter-in-Chief. Obama was the first two-term president in history to oversee military forces at war for all eight years, fighting in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Libya, Somalia and Pakistan. There are others too. I wouldn't say that the bar for the peace prize is particularly high, it's more about popular politics than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Lyonspride said: but I didn't see him going to North Korea or keeping the peace in the middle east, Iran and Israel etc. Was Trump peacemake or appeaser? Obama was smart enough to KNOW that there is nothing to be gained by engaging other than getting egg on ones face. Trump was less smart. Better to say nothing and let people thnk you're a fool rather than open ones mouth and confirm it... If the Nobel is more about politics, Trump fails there too as he is not a good politician. He doesn't understand nuance and when dealing with international politics (or domestic politics for that matter), nuance is everything. And as with any statistic simply looking at numbers doesn't actually tell us anything. Lets not forget Obama inherited the Bush administrations legacy in the middle east. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Colonial Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 21 hours ago, Lyonspride said: Actually he was the first American president in 50 years to not take the US into any new wars, for which he was nominated for the nobel peace prize By a far right-wing Norwegian MEP nutter, who did it several times, just to get publicity for himself. No one took it seriously. Anyone can nominate anyone else - I could nominate @Blatman and as esteemed as he is, he’d be unlikely to win it. 21 hours ago, Lyonspride said: but of course very few people know about that because the media didn't report it It was widely reported, but perhaps not in the news channels you use. 21 hours ago, Lyonspride said: the media didn't report it, and instead set about "slagging off" the people and country that nominated him. So the media didn’t report it but slagged off the person who nominated him? If they slagged him off, they obviously reported it in the slagging off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyonspride Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 6 hours ago, Blatman said: Was Trump peacemake or appeaser? Obama was smart enough to KNOW that there is nothing to be gained by engaging other than getting egg on ones face. Trump was less smart. Better to say nothing and let people thnk you're a fool rather than open ones mouth and confirm it... If the Nobel is more about politics, Trump fails there too as he is not a good politician. He doesn't understand nuance and when dealing with international politics (or domestic politics for that matter), nuance is everything. And as with any statistic simply looking at numbers doesn't actually tell us anything. Lets not forget Obama inherited the Bush administrations legacy in the middle east. Trump inherited Obamas policies on border control and migration. The thing is I don't care much for Trump, businessmen like him are no better than politicians, but I do think the whole 4 years really showed how powerful the media can be in influencing the general population, they took a man who was massively popular from "The Apprentice" show and turned him into the exact opposite, I mean that really is something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 6 hours ago, Captain Colonial said: I could nominate @Blatman and as esteemed as he is, he’d be unlikely to win it. Unlikely is very generous 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, Lyonspride said: but I do think the whole 4 years really showed how powerful the media can be in influencing the general population, they took a man who was massively popular from "The Apprentice" show and turned him into the exact opposite, I mean that really is something. Really? Popular TV show equates to populist politician irrespective of manifesto and policy? By that measure Ant and Dec should be PM and Chancellor. Lets not forget Trump played a populist manifesto in order to just scrape an election and in 4 years turned it in to... nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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