DonPeffers Posted September 18, 2020 Author Share Posted September 18, 2020 4 hours ago, Blatman said: The track can be 10 times wider, there's still only 1 racing line. Depends on the cars' top speed. I recall The Grand Prix of Cleveland Indy car event in the CART series, held annually at Burke Lakefront Airport, Cleveland, Ohio until 2007 which had a variety of racing lines although aero would be less developed then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, DonPeffers said: Depends on the cars' top speed. F2 lines don't differ much from F1 yet they are significantly slower. F3 lines aren't far off but their aero is far less effective so they have closer racing. GT3 Porsches use the same lines as LMP1 cars. The reason we see LMP1 cars going round the outside of the GT3's is because that's what they are told to do. The slower cars are told to keep to the racing line whilst the faster cars must go around them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonPeffers Posted September 19, 2020 Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 Dry quali lap agree usually one optimum racing line. Consider wet qauli. and the differing lines. Also wet racing or large track Oval racing or the Senna block pass. F1 using 2020 technology but often using 1950s race tracks where the painful DRS overtakes are somehow meant to pass for entertainment. Might as well have an in-car button for the following car to apply the leading car's brakes on the straight to assist overtaking. IMO tracks need a major redesign and Mugello with the Red Bull and Albon showing what can be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 On 19/09/2020 at 11:59, DonPeffers said: Consider wet qauli. and the differing lines Usually more grip off-line because the rubber in/on the track lifts and floats on the water. Having experienced this more than once it's a very noticeable effect. Ovals and Senna don't count. There are exceptions to every rule. On 19/09/2020 at 11:59, DonPeffers said: F1 using 2020 technology but often using 1950s race tracks where the painful DRS overtakes are somehow meant to pass for entertainment. Might as well have an in-car button for the following car to apply the leading car's brakes on the straight to assist overtaking. Kinda makes the point. Aero rules and whilst it does, the over/under for F1 will be that there are more overtakes in the pits than there are on track. On 19/09/2020 at 11:59, DonPeffers said: IMO tracks need a major redesign and Mugello with the Red Bull and Albon showing what can be done. Albons drive was, IIRC the exception in a dull race and even then, without DRS there would have been many fewer overtakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonPeffers Posted September 21, 2020 Author Share Posted September 21, 2020 17 hours ago, Blatman said: Albons drive was, IIRC the exception in a dull race and even then, without DRS there would have been many fewer overtakes. It's a pity Max was taken out on the first lap as it would have been interesting to see him perform at Mugello. Overtaking not helped when regs changed 2 or 3 years ago allowing the cars to be 8 inches wider.....wrong direction IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, DonPeffers said: Overtaking not helped when regs changed 2 or 3 years ago allowing the cars to be 8 inches wider.....wrong direction IMO. They were changed because modern tracks were made wider for safety reasons and secondary to that (sort of) fewer crashes should result allowing for more cars to finish, and more cars means better racing... NOT! Prior to that you will recall that towards the end of the 80's or start of the 90's (if memory serves) they made the cars narrower because it gave them more room and was less controversial than asking every track F1 visited to be widened by a couple of feet at the tracks expense..., and they put grooves in the slicks to reduce mechanical grip. This just placed the emphasis on more/better aero, which is where we are now. Pirelli are in an unenviable position as they were charged with making tyres that would force teams to make tyre changes by offering hugely diminishing returns as the tyres got to the end of their useful life (the so called "cliff"). And for all that hard work in complying with the request of the customer (F1) all they get is slagged off for making "bad" tyres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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