FATBOY Posted January 22, 2003 Posted January 22, 2003 .......one for the IT buffs. .....for the last month or so, whenever I use Norton's "Live Up-date" I'm told all is up-to-date. Prior to this, up-dates would come through every week or so. ....so far, I've reinstalled the programme twice. ....done a full virus check with Norton and McAfee's Stinger ....read the info on the Norton site which is of little help ....and used harsh language ....any thoughts, chaps? Quote
westy Posted January 22, 2003 Posted January 22, 2003 does that happen when you run the stand alone program as well. It will be in the start menu somewhere? If not, try downloading the updates manually from here somewhere Quote
Blatman Posted January 22, 2003 Posted January 22, 2003 Norton 2002, or 2001, or older? Has your subscription expired? Quote
westy Posted January 22, 2003 Posted January 22, 2003 I reckon your right there Blatters. I just tried updating mine and my subscription has ended also and wont let me download them *loads kazaa* Quote
FATBOY Posted January 22, 2003 Author Posted January 22, 2003 ....it's Norton 2001 ....I've re-registered the subscription and it did initially work OK ....this is the message I get when I try to update: Symantec Corporation. Processing update list Opening update list Processing update list Downloading catalog file (9 of 12), catalog is up-to-date. Downloading catalog file (10 of 12), catalog is up-to-date. Downloading catalog file (11 of 12), catalog is up-to-date. Downloading catalog file (12 of 12), catalog is up-to-date. All of the Symantec products installed on your computer are currently up-to-date. Remember to check for new updates frequently. LiveUpdate session is complete. ...if I uninstall the programme then do a reinstall it updates OK for the fisrt time thereafter it keeps telling me all is well. ....there was a virus going around a few months ago called, Bugbear (I think) that was supposed to b******* up the Norton up-date capability, but my machine wasn't infected and besides I've re-installed since then. I was thinking that maybe the Live-update registry entry is corrupted and keeps giving a possitive, but as I know slightly less than nothing about the computers registry I'm probably talking out of my on this. ...”what's new,” I hear Westy grunt. Quote
NevilleBull Posted January 22, 2003 Posted January 22, 2003 Scrap norton. IMHO it is crap. Screws up your registry and then corrupts your files. Tells you there are viruses to make you think "wow thank god for norton", when in fact there are none! Norton tells you you have an intruder in your system "HACKER ALERT". CRAP!! TOTAL RUBBISH! Norton isn't clever enough to work that out. Actually all it does is monitor network packets and if it finds a half complete packet being sent a few hundred times then it brings up a level warning, or alternatively it monitors for scans - now PC's send out scans randomly - SNMP broadcasts, even network packet broadcasts etc. etc.. So hence you get a message from Norton that scares the user and makes him think someone is "hacking" his pc!!! Oh it does make me chuckle! Hackers are something from TV NOT real life. I have been writing low level assembly code and Hex for anti-virus software companies since cows were invented, and I've cracked software galore (of course not illegally sir !! ). I know exactly what goes on inside a Norton application, and I really don't like it. If I had a good lawyer on my side I'd take what I've found to the newspapers as it's quite revealing. Norton is a consumer brand. Which basically means that if I threw a real nasty virus at it there would be nothing it could do if it didn't know about the virus or if the particular virus IS NOT in its database. Is Norton updated every minute of the day?? Well no. Therfore chuck it in the bin. It's useless. IMHO If you want virus checking, use a small generic virus browser/sweeper not an anti-virus package. When the browser picks up an issue, go get it sorted at www.antivirus.com. Their database of viruses grows by the minute - literally! It's one of the most trust worthy anti-virus systems. Guess who helped develop it? Thesedays people don't seem to be writing as many low level viruses which actually do some harm, so most of them will be crappy visual basic scripts which at worst can format your hard disk. In which case the best form of protection is to be aware not to run strange scripts. My best advice to you is to format your drive and re-install windows, and NEVER install Norton again. Quote
FATBOY Posted January 22, 2003 Author Posted January 22, 2003 .....now get off that fence, Neville, and say what you really think. use a small generic virus browser/sweeper not an anti-virus package ...any recommendations? Quote
NevilleBull Posted January 22, 2003 Posted January 22, 2003 Ahh, it does look as if I've got the hump. Well that's true! It nobs me right off hearing how DR Peter BasTURD Norton as ripped another innocent person off. Anyway.... sorry yes I should have given some alternatives rather than just blurting on.. So here goes: Go get yourself a free copy of McAfee Virus Scan home edition from CNet's Download.com. Turn off all background scanning tasks and turn off ALL features other than Virus Shield System Scan. The Shield is like a sweeper than just silently keeps an eye out. Bonus. When something comes up that's strange, you will get a little pop up box saying - "this could be a suspect file, you might want to go check it out". All you then do is go log onto AntiVirus.com and job is done. Guaranteed to find out if the file was REALLY a virus, if it is then AntiVirus.com will either clean the file or you can delete it for good. Simple. No nasty overheads and TSR's running on your pc clogging up memory, creating memory leaks and the rest... Just clean computing.. Quote
FATBOY Posted January 22, 2003 Author Posted January 22, 2003 ....thanks for the advice; which I will take. .....I'll Email the new Robin Hood brochure to Dr. Norton to see if he understands irony. Quote
peterg Posted January 22, 2003 Posted January 22, 2003 always good to see another McAfee recommendation as MrsPeterg works for them - shame you had to point people to the freebie though Quote
hilux Posted January 22, 2003 Posted January 22, 2003 Personal opinion of course........... I have had no probs whatsoever with Mr Nortons 2002 programme. I have also found a little programme that (ahem) allows your subscription to (ahem) continue Anyone want it? Quote
JonnyBoy Posted January 22, 2003 Posted January 22, 2003 I use norman for the virus software and the other sytem maintaience stuff... well, only speed disk really. I was very interested in what Neville said regarding the AV software, however, are apps like speed disk actually any good? or are they again just there to make you think you are being good to your PC. Definately considering binning Norman after the previous comments from our resident expert. Quote
NevilleBull Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 Ok. No guesses for what I'm going to say! Anyone who still uses Norton and thinks it's good is purely ignorant! :D:D:D:D:D Bin any type of speed up software (unless it's made by good old uncle Billy). It ultimately tries to get your machine to perform as it should do after a clean build of windows. Nev's tips of the day: If you run a Microsoft Operating System - never use any company's "fix-it" software. When you machine goes slow - format and re-install Windows, don't bugg@r your hard disk by trying to clean it using "fix-it" software. "Fix-it" software actually wears down the HDD bearings quicker than anything else as it tries to spin the drive at max rpm for prolonged periods. TIP 2: Get MS certified drivers for all your hardware. (Not direct X guys, but proper MS Certification). Otherwise it's like handing a kid a teddy bear without a CE or "Safety TESTED" symbol. If you run MS software as it was designed to be run, it's actually very efficient. The problem is in fact when other manufacturers write drivers and software - they effect how system procedures and memory calls perform significantly. A recent study of ours showed that only 4-5% of all drivers from 3rd party vendors are "supported drivers". The rest have not been given a certification from MS to say they are up to the standard required. Basically 3rd party companies cut corners to save cost and they don't have their drivers certified by MS. Which means that they ultimately could conflict with other drivers (easy to solve IRQ conflicts, DMA etc. etc..) or worse they could interfere with low level IO addressing - which is #### difficult to spot without using MSDOS Debug. I remember once 3dfx tried to release a card with specific drivers that when installed created an IO conflict with a Quantum hard disk buffer of all things - so every time you have a huge read/write from the hdd and the buffer fills up you get an almighty error message and your FAT table is corrupted. Nice. Quote
stu999 Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 What the f**k does that all mean in English? Quote
FATBOY Posted January 24, 2003 Author Posted January 24, 2003 What the f**k does that all mean in English? .......that you shouldn't try to answer questions after a pub lunch. Quote
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