Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Chairman Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 I expect it will be a very different car, with a very different character. can't wait to see! Quote
Thrustyjust Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 I expect it will be a very different car, with a very different character. can't wait to see! I'm expecting it to be a bit of an animal, depending on how the mapping works with the car. Lots of those small turbo cars seem to create a lot of low down torque, but we'll see if its a decent step forward when its properly running. Quote
wilsonch Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 I had a look at Stoneleigh and made my comments on the other post. But just to recap. There is a big list of options, that I think should be standard on such a car as this. Anti roll bars, upgraded brakes, suspension, and others that should be higher quality like the digi dash and switches. The starting price is 25K but with options you can add several thousand to that. Quote
Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Chairman Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 I disagree. Many may take the options, but not everyone. Which anti roll bars for instance? I have Playskool on my S2000 and I had them on my old XE car too. I don't like the stiffness of the factory ARB, and I certainly wouldn't want the inboard front ARB as I really dislike it's fairly course adjustment range, let alone it's stiffness rate. I've had AP front brakes on my last two cars, not Hi Spec. My current car is narrow track front, I'm not saying I won't wide track it, but I'd like the choice... The starting price is what it is, as has been said, because of the prices for the all new drive train. It's one thing to push the price up to circa £30000 with options, it's quite another to have that as the base price. The market just wasn't ready for a Westfield at that sort of base price years ago when the Sport 2000S was launched, and I still don't think it's ready for it now. Though I'd like to think we're heading there. Quote
Steve (sdh2903) Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 Thing is with the St250 it's easy to forget that they are using a brand new drive train which is always going to be significantly more expensive. You are at the thick end of nearly 10k before you even start. I've just committed to build the first ST250 starter kit and after several runs of the figures I expect to come in cheaper than the s2000 equivalent car. But I won't have the privilege of a brand new everything. But then again I wouldnt if I'd built the s2000 car. Quote
Jeremy Farmer Posted May 30, 2016 Author Posted May 30, 2016 Hi All, Are we suggesting that the standard package will not be 'up to it'? Will I need additonal options to create a competent vehicle? Or does the forum think I should just 'go for it' and upgrade later when obvious failings or enhancements dictate? Sorry for all the questions, but I would like to import all at once here in Mex. Cheers Quote
Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Chairman Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 The value of some options varies rather with how the car is going to be used. Road only, and the state of those roads, track only, or as is usually the case, somewhere between those two extremes. Quote
Kit Car Electronics Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 Given the performance I'd personally go for an LSD and the AP brakes as perhaps the most critical upgrades... Quote
Jeremy Farmer Posted June 1, 2016 Author Posted June 1, 2016 Many thanks to all that have replied. Gadgetman - I invisage 95% road, but there is a track near by, so maybe! KCE -'the performance' ah.... a good question, I cannot get any definitive figures or even an idea of the potential. If anyone has an idea of the true weight I can make some guesses myself. Cheers Quote
CraigHew Posted June 1, 2016 Posted June 1, 2016 just a stab in the dark, but I'd say 252bhp and around 575-600kg (plus the driver of course) Quote
Jeremy Farmer Posted June 1, 2016 Author Posted June 1, 2016 Cheers CH. I think I will work on 800, all up as my base line. Then I have to work on the USA st engine. BHP can be improved somewhat but the torque yes!! Quote
CraigHew Posted June 1, 2016 Posted June 1, 2016 You'd better hurry up before Trump builds the wall....! Quote
Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Chairman Posted June 1, 2016 Posted June 1, 2016 Not sure on the weight of the Ford/Mazda drive train, but unless the engine is exceptionally light, I'd be surprised to see it below 600kg, due to the weight of the turbo, induction plumbing and intercooler package, I'd have guessed mid to high in the 600/700kg range. Hopefully it's lighter than the Honda set up, which weighs as much as a small planet! As for options; personally, I'd go Sport Turbo seats, wide track front and uprated front brakes, either The Hi Spec race package or the AP race package. I'd also be asking Siltech if they'd export me a set of anti roll bars! Quote
Rednop1 Posted June 1, 2016 Posted June 1, 2016 i'd be very surprised if the sport250 comes in at less than 650kg as the mazda diff weighs the same as a small house Quote
Josh H Posted June 1, 2016 Posted June 1, 2016 Not sure on the weight of the Ford/Mazda drive train, but unless the engine is exceptionally light, I'd be surprised to see it below 600kg, due to the weight of the turbo, induction plumbing and intercooler package, I'd have guessed mid to high in the 600/700kg range. Hopefully it's lighter than the Honda set up, which weighs as much as a small planet! As for options; personally, I'd go Sport Turbo seats, wide track front and uprated front brakes, either The Hi Spec race package or the AP race package. I'd also be asking Siltech if they'd export me a set of anti roll bars! Dave - what's the weight of an average S2000 car? Quote
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