Onliest Smeg David Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Definition of road legal in the UK is to C&U regs, nothing to do with the EU yet! The question we should be asking the MSA is why they are implying we should use what they call "production tyres" for road going classes. Thanks for the correction. But they're still going to get red of F and G tyres I thought, will that effect us if MSA decide to go that way? So your question is very valid Graham. If regs aren't Eu wide - could we be legal on some tyres in the UK but drive abroad and be non legal? Confused of Ramsbottom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windy Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 For rallying you generally need an Emarked tyre outside of UK. Inside the UK it's just to C&U regs. We could adopt the same principal for tyres in Sprints & Hills. If you want to see the obvious differences check out page 196 of the blue book to compare "production tyres" vs "rally tyres". Like I said before there is nothing to say a soft un-Emarked tyre couldn't be used for sprints & hills. All it needs is the speed committee to put this forward to the MSA. It would also mean the proposed ban on the retail of non-emarked tyres for road use, which the MSA are trying to adopt, would sort out list 1B for the future, i.e. you'd still be able to buy them because they are "for competition use". This is the get-out clause which allows the retail of soft, noisy tyres to continue within the EU and UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham frankland Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I spoke with Kumho UK Technical at the end of last week and they advised that the V70 tyres will be alive and kicking in all compounds next season. They will be "E" marked and hence will be Road Legal, they will be classified in the 1 C List as being predominately designed for Motorsport. For this reason they will not carry the multi coloured Energy Rating Label! The lack of availability in the UK recently has been as a result of manufacturing issues in Korea. I hope this info helps and I am able to sleep nights again! BR Gluten Free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Everall Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 Good info Graham but is 1C the same as MSA List 1B for road going?? and what is happening to Avon ZZR which many use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Algar - Competition Secretary Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I'll be able to tell you on the 16th Sept as MSA tyre committee sits the day before to decide these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Everall Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 Thanks Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windy Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 I spoke with Kumho UK Technical at the end of last week and they advised that the V70 tyres will be alive and kicking in all compounds next season. They will be "E" marked and hence will be Road Legal, they will be classified in the 1 C List as being predominately designed for Motorsport. For this reason they will not carry the multi coloured Energy Rating Label! The lack of availability in the UK recently has been as a result of manufacturing issues in Korea. I hope this info helps and I am able to sleep nights again! BR Gluten Free Only certain compounds will be Emarked though Graham. I doubt anything in 1C (soft, noisy and sticky) will have an Emark. The tyre companies are about to explore a loophole in the legislation to enable them to continue selling a non emarked tyre in the UK. It is likely they will be labelled "for competition use". Note: This does not mean "for competition use only" which to most people means not for road use, as has been the way most of these types of tyres have been labelled in the past. there is a subtle difference! The MSA and whoever is on the debating committee for the tyre discussion needs to be fully aware of this because it means the outcome on tyres is pretty much already decided. All the MSA need to do is accept competitors requirement to be able to compete using a non-emarked tyre which is road legal and meets C&U regs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windy Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Here's the regulation - scroll down to "Article 2" http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:32009R1222 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenh Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I thought tyres had to be "E" marked to be road legal? I seem to recall that is the reason why Avon produce the ACB10 tyre in 2 versions: the ACB10 tyre for Formula Ford cars, which is not road legal (and therefor is not in List 1B) and the Avon ACB10 sport, which is road legal and therefor has an "E" mark, and is therefor in List 1B. Confused of Uttoxeter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Algar - Competition Secretary Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Stephen, I would just wait and see what happens, what is certain is that this year is the start of some changes. I would have said big, but if you think about it a bit more Avon have captured the market with their ZZR tyres so they are going to be very reluctant to lose that and will try and ensure these tyres can be used. It just makes good business sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windy Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I thought tyres had to be "E" marked to be road legal? I seem to recall that is the reason why Avon produce the ACB10 tyre in 2 versions: the ACB10 tyre for Formula Ford cars, which is not road legal (and therefor is not in List 1B) and the Avon ACB10 sport, which is road legal and therefor has an "E" mark, and is therefor in List 1B. Confused of Uttoxeter. Does it say "for racing purposes only" on the sidewall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windy Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 In any case the new regulation concerns the sale of tyres by the manufacturers, not their use. But I stand to be corrected For example. I could buy tyres from a non eu country but still use them legally in the UK if they were fitted to my car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Yes, there are at least 3 sets of regulations and they're all different Does it say "for racing purposes only" on the sidewall? You now get a sticker saying "Not recommended for road use" (or similar) to prove they're road legal. Still confused? So are the rest of us At least it just EU regulation, not JIC Health and Safety, or was it both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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