Stuart Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 When horse riders and cyclists start paying road tax maybe I will give them a bit more room,,,,,,,,,, I pay road tax on 3 cars but I also ride a bike. Good to know you'd cut me up when I'm cycling because you don't think I pay my way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham0127 Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 My old man used to say 'you no pay, you no play' Didn't I recently read somewhere that, any means of transport with pneumatic tyres,used on the highway would need to be insured? Wheelchairs,prams,wheel barrows and bicycles ? Good idea.....must have come from UKIP flyer... Where do I put my cross. To be crucified on ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davemk1 Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 In most parts of the USA it works differently and roads are paid for with property tax and not a straight up road tax. There are some gas taxes that also go to roads. I pay my fair share to use the road - I have the legal right of way - and all I ask is for a little courtesy.........the same you would like me to give your kid as he rides down the road. dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Colonial Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 I think you'll all find that, as more than 80% of the tax raised in fuel duty goes nowhere near roadways, and we all pay council tax and income tax which includes road construction and maintenance, everyone contributes to paying for the roads, even if they don't use them. Therefore saying cyclists don't contribute is incorrect, but cyclists saying they pay disproportionally is also incorrect, as the vast majority of goods are delivered by road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Gibney - Lancashire AO Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Only have a problem with cyclists who ride 2 abreast chatting and swerve into middle of road at any given moment ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham0127 Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Only have a problem with cyclists who ride 2 abreast chatting and swerve into middle of road at any given moment ! Guess that's a PC way of saying 'all cyclists' Beautifully worded Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yanto Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Also - who pays RFL and who does not Correction, Vehicle Excise Duty, or to be more precise Pollution Tax, who pollutes the atmosphere, who damages the road, it isn't cyclists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew123 Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Stuart (and any other push bikers) You don't pay your way when you ride your push bike on a public highway. You have not paid VED, you have not paid for insurance and you have not registered the vehicle (if a push bike is used on a road then it should be considered a vehicle). When you register the bike with a Government Agency that will give the vehicle an identifying mark, AKA, a number plate and it has passed a test to say that it safe to use on a public road, (a newly built bike will need to be inspected by VOSA to determine if it has been built to a required standard and then undergoes a periodic test to determine if it is safe to ride it on a public road), and you then pay for insurance so that any damage you cause to another persons vehicle will be paid for, or, if your actions cause an accident that results in delibitating injury or death the family of the injured will be compensated and then every twelve months you pay a sum of money to the Government so that you can use said vehicle on a piblic road, then, and only then have you paid your way. The fact that you have three cars, and I presume you put them on the road legally, proves my augument that you do not pay your way when you ride your push bike. By your aurgument, the fact that you pay for one car means that you have paid to be on the road, so why should you pay for the other two cars. Just my thoughts, and I won't go on about the idiot that had shopping hanging off his push bike that caused him to involuntary swerve and almost caused a head on collision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yanto Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 I pay road tax on 3 cars but I also ride a bike. Good to know you'd cut me up when I'm cycling because you don't think I pay my way. No you don't it was abolished in 1937 - keep up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KugaWestie Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Correction, Vehicle Excise Duty, or to be more precise Pollution Tax, who pollutes the atmosphere, who damages the road, it isn't cyclists.Who pollutes the atmosphere? Cyclists contribute to this, pollution is created manufacturing a cycle. Poor construction and weather are the root cause of damage to the roads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yanto Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Ok, what we really need is an infrastructure like in the Netherlands, total segregation on fast roads and cyclist priority on urban roads, of course 90%+ of drivers are cyclists there and the infrastructure has been properly funded, designed, installed, kept clean and used. But being a realist, it isn't going to happen in the UK. So, what we really need is tolerance, an ability to share, stop getting irate because somebody else is on YOUR road, slowing YOU down. What is also needed is all manic drivers removed from the road, all stupid arrogant red light jumping cyclists removing from the road. So how about not venting your rage on somebody else, relax, think of every cyclist as one less car on the road, so actually speeding up your drive. Forgive them if they swerve to miss slippery wet painted road marks, holes that could easily blow a tyre causing them to fall and be run over by the idiot driver being too close, or avoiding glass, wire from blown lorry tyres, stones, bolts, screws, puke and what ever else makes cycling hazardous. For every driver thinking that a cyclist should be on a dedicated cycle path, there is a cyclist wishing that every driver of any vehicle should be on a Motorway, and both aren't doing what the others want for perfectly valid reasons. Lets face it a cyclist has never killed a motorist! And when somebody says cyclist deserve what they get and it's their fault, well that kind of victim blaming does wind me up a bit. Maybe the people who think that have daughters who go to parties with short dresses, so they must deserve to be raped - same kind of victim blaming. As a motorist for longer than i've been a cyclist I give cyclists a much more lenient time on the road than i do other motorists, because for whatever reason I really wouldn't be able to live with myself if I hit one, especially if it was within my power to avoid them, even if it does slow me down, for oh, 10 seconds, 30 seconds, a minute? to me that is time well spent. I'm not going to look at this post again as some of the comments are really only fit for Piston Heads Forum where lobotomised mouth breathers dwell, and i thought all Westfield owners were actually civilised, how wrong I was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Colonial Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Perhaps we've covered it sufficiently now and with little more to offer but disagreement, we should lock the thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KugaWestie Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Agreed It is only going to go downhill from here Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew123 Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Maybe this should be locked before someone say's that all push bikalists should be shot Not that I think they should Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pistonbroke Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Can't understand the fuss as 99% of cyclisters only goes out when the sun shines or dry days when the temps are < 20C Which as we all know in this country is about 10 days per annum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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