steppenwolf Posted May 21, 2003 Posted May 21, 2003 (p.s. Saw a landrover with the rear wheels 2foot high in the air last friday. The caravan was on its side, but still hitched to the Landrover) Did you cheer? Quote
John Loudon - Sponsorship Liaison Posted May 21, 2003 Posted May 21, 2003 What happens if you reverse the Westfield onto the trailer ? The engine will then be behing the trailer axles. You could fit low profile tyres to the Peugeot John Quote
steppenwolf Posted May 21, 2003 Posted May 21, 2003 Is running "nose up" a problem? Does it mean that when you slam the anchors on the trailer will try to lift the car, or something equally drastic? It is a stability thing having the nose slightly down, they just tend to tow better that way. As you are jacking up the front, leaving the suspension as it is, you are not 'really' nose up, it just looks that way. Personally, I would much prefer the drop plate ( I know type approval/insurance and all that crap ) or raising the draw bar above the 'A' frame ( this may not be approved by the trailer manufacturer ) or, finally, as it seems from an earlier post that your type car is 'known' for this problem, some spring assisters on the car. Why is nothing simple? ........ Quote
Mark Stanton Posted May 21, 2003 Posted May 21, 2003 The trailer wants to be at 11inches Puzzled, seems low What trailer do you have Is it a pucker car trailer Can you call your trailer manufacturer to find out your optimum tow ball height As I noted before mines a PRG and they were able to offer this information and the trailer rides very well behind my car and mobile tent. PRG and BJ seem to ride about the same level for both 10" and 13" wheel options (obviously there is a difference for 10 & 13 with each, if you see what I mean) Perhaps yours may run higher and better with larger dia wheels - if they can be fitted Quote
Blatman Posted May 21, 2003 Posted May 21, 2003 Brian James reccommended a tow ball height of 17" as being optimum, or acceptable between 16" and 18". This is for towing a Minno............ The man from Brian James also say raising the draw bar on the trailer was something they'd rather avoid, but if I was still having trouble, they'd "have a look to see what they could do"....... Quote
steppenwolf Posted May 21, 2003 Posted May 21, 2003 Brian James reccommended a tow ball height of 17" as being optimum, or acceptable between 16" and 18". This is for towing a Minno............ It so happens that I have just got back from delivering my youngest son's 'Stock Hatch Racer' to a friend's workshop so I measured the tow ball height with the Brian James 'Minno' trailer on the car and the height is 17" unladen and I would guestimate that it drops by about 1.5" with the car on the trailer so the 11" height that Al is getting is rather strange methinks! Quote
Mark Stanton Posted May 21, 2003 Posted May 21, 2003 Now this is a first Blatts, Stepps and Stant all as one My PRG was recommended to have the tow ball set at 16.5 to 17 inch - its the smaller Ecotech thing - same as BJ Minno Quote
Blatman Posted May 21, 2003 Posted May 21, 2003 Now this is a first Blatts, Stepps and Stant all as one Quote
Al Yupright Posted May 21, 2003 Author Posted May 21, 2003 measured the tow ball height with the Brian James 'Minno' trailer on the car and the height is 17" unladen and I would guestimate that it drops by about 1.5" Interesting. Thanks Stepps. I dont suppose I could trouble you to measure what it is with the trailer not connected to the the tow-car. Unladen, dont go fetching the stockhatch back Basically what height is the deck of the trailer (cos the tow hitch is level with this). Or what height is the coupling, when the deck is perfectly horizontal. Cheers, Al. Quote
Al Yupright Posted May 21, 2003 Author Posted May 21, 2003 Did you cheer? No! I'm not that much of an evil b******d! Just hoped they were on their way back from their holiday, rather than on the way to... Was amazed the towball/hitch mechanism hadnt released the landrover! Quote
Mark Stanton Posted May 21, 2003 Posted May 21, 2003 Al Right here goes: When laden: Deck is 13 inches above floor and Tow hitch is 16.5 inches above the floor So perhaps a swap of tow car (or maybe not ) I use a Vectra V6 Estate and a mobile tent based on a Fiat Ducato LWB with a 2.8JTD engine Both tow well with the trailer quite stable Never driven a Pug Quote
Al Yupright Posted May 21, 2003 Author Posted May 21, 2003 Ta very much! Deck is 13 inches above floor and Tow hitch is 16.5 inches above the floor This is with the trailer standalone, not connected to the tow-car? With the deck horizontal and the jockeywheel withdrawn? How wierd! (in a good way) Is your A-frame not at the same level as the deck? Sounds like your A-frame is 3inches above the deck, in that case. Cant quite visualise that! swap of tow car We need a clickable smilie for empty pockets! Vectra V6 Estate Fast in a straight line! on the bends! Never driven a Pug You're not missing much! Quote
Mark Stanton Posted May 21, 2003 Posted May 21, 2003 Yep the tow hitch does sit higher than the deck, its a standard Bradley unit seated on top of the A frame. If you look at it side on you can see it sits just that 3 inch higher than the deck The measurements were takn on a level surface with the trailer sitting true, unconnected and laden. Does seem odd about your 11 inch dimension I got the Vectra specific as a tow car and golf club carrier and to wind up 318 and 320 BMW drivers who hate being overtaken on the motorway by a Vaux The Westfield is for corners I've probably driven worse than a pug had the misfortune to drive a Maestro on occasion. Not mine - just a pool work car Quote
Al Yupright Posted May 21, 2003 Author Posted May 21, 2003 It looks the same height as the deck to me, though: Quote
Richard M Green Posted May 22, 2003 Posted May 22, 2003 I'm pretty certain that this is the same type of trailer used by Team Dickie-B, aka Team Minging Motorsport in the days when he owned a BMW badged as such (not a BMW masquerading as a bit of Britain's engineering heritage). His 3 series Bimmer used to suffer from trailer induced rear end droop. He cured this by fitting two pieces of 40x40mm RHS in a vee between the trailer coupling casting and the two bits of channel that form the trailer chassis. Interesting to note what Blatman says that the trailer makers don't recommend it but it seems to have worked for Dickie B. You probably won't get a response from him today: he'll be too busy in the new toy...... Regards all Dickie G Quote
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