B.RAD Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Cages is ongoing but reasonably positive, they've been very open about it's origin (which might surprise you) and I am in contact with Simon, the chairman of the speed events committee, to reach a conclusion. Mart was championing the tyre issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terzo204 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Me too £60! A lot more that I thought it was going to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phelpsa Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Rumour has it that the tyre lists have been thrown up in the air once again for the actual blue book publication.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Loudon - Sponsorship Liaison Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I just read that in the actual published blue book ZZRs are listed in 1B without any restriction. I cant confirm it as my blue book hasn't yet arrived Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggydoo Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Now you have my attention! This sounds interesting, maybe just a printing error or possibly a u turn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castlecroft Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I have the new BB, and I was surprised when I read that it didn't match the issued rule change. If it is a u turn That has been made i would suggest that they would have issued some statement to that effect,,,, I favour a mis print has been made... The only sure way is to get MSA to confirm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Algar - Competition Secretary Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 I have the new BB, and I was surprised when I read that it didn't match the issued rule change. If it is a u turn That has been made i would suggest that they would have issued some statement to that effect,,,, I favour a mis print has been made... The only sure way is to get MSA to confirm... I am not aware of any U turn and would expect that it is more likely to be a timing of publication compared with decision date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terzo204 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Extracted from the 2016 Blue Book: LIST 1B Sports/Uprated Tyres Suitable for Competition 5. Clubs wishing to use these tyres in events or championships must apply in writing to the MSA, and SRs must provide for their use. These tyres are prohibited for Production Car racing. Some tyres below are available in compounds which are not E-marked. Only those tyres below that are E-marked are valid. EU Regulation 1222/2009 for tyre labelling exempts tyres designed for use on cars first registered before the 1st October 1990, therefore a number of tyres remaining on list 1b will only be valid for cars registered before this date , those tyres are appropriately annotated below. It is prohibited to re-groove tyres in this list. AVON • ACB 10 Sport (pre 1/10/90) • CR6ZZ (Including Sport) (pre 1/10/90) • Turbospeed CR28 Sport (pre 1/10/90) • CR500 • ZZR • ZZS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phelpsa Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Looks like old A24 Avons are OK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Algar - Competition Secretary Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 This has just been posted in the Scrutineers Bulletin. Tyre list correction There is a correction to be noted to Tyre List 1B in the 2016 MSA Yearbook. You will note the Avon ZZR appears in both List 1B and List 1C. The Avon ZZR in List 1B should be accompanied by the following restriction “OE Fitments marked 15156 & 15157 only”. This tyre is only permitted as a 1B tyre if it is an Original Equipment part for the vehicle and bears these markings. Any other variations or fitments of the Avon ZZR are considered a 1C listed tyre. Remember it is the competitors responsibility to prove that a part is an Original Equipment fitment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham frankland Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Nick Thanks for the clarification Phew! I am glad we had not got it wrong? BR G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windy Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 So we are all about to go and buy pre 1990s Westfields then. I didn't think the MSA were allowed to be ageist with their rules!!!!! At least they appear to have read part of ECE regulation 1222 but not all of it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windy Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Remember it is the competitors responsibility to prove that a part is an Original Equipment fitment. On a kit car? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Loudon - Sponsorship Liaison Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 So we are all about to go and buy pre 1990s Westfields then. I didn't think the MSA were allowed to be ageist with their rules!!!!! At least they appear to have read part of ECE regulation 1222 but not all of it. Hmmm - might not need to go and buy one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Aspden Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Hmmm - might not to go and buy one I guess, like me you have a pre 1990 registered car 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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