Terry Everall Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Am I correct in thinking that windscreens can be of any material,fitted at any angle but must be a minimum of 254mm high for road going classes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterg Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Don't think you'd want one made of carbon fibre Tel ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Colonial Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I'd be very surprised if, as it's road going class, the windscreen didn't have to be proper laminated windscreen glass and marked with the appropriate safety assurances. But then, I've been surprised an awful lot over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Am I correct in thinking that windscreens can be of any material,fitted at any angle but must be a minimum of 254mm high for road going classes It's my understanding that the windscreen forms a major part of the silhouette and so, for roadgoing/S11, must remain the shape (including angle) and size as left the factory. When thinking about the WSCC championship and changing between full screen and aeroscreen at different events (as some have proposed for roadgoing) I have been told that I must stick with a full screen on my, admittedly quite well-known, car since otherwise I would be changing its silhouette (from the condition that it left the factory). Anyway the full screen means that my hair doesn't get blown around so much on the way to events. Grannie Annie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Everall Posted January 11, 2013 Author Share Posted January 11, 2013 But as kit cars they dont all get built at the factory or to factory manuals John Loudons car ran a smaller than normal screen and that was legal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Colonial Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 / Threadjack - sorry, please move on if distracted Very much reminds me of one of the NASCAR teams in the 60s. They showed up with a car that was blindingly fast, suspiciously so. For many races, no one could figure out why, although the authorities checked it over front to back, nothing looked wrong and checked out. Finally, at one one race, someone parked a standard factory model of the same car next to it, and all became obvious - the NASCAR one was a perfect 7/8ths scale of the factory one. This is why you now see exterior shape templates used in various forms of stock car or touring car racing, to ensure the car is full scale. / Threadjack over - apologies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterg Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Ah the legendary Smokey Yunick and his tricks... ;-) he revealed a lot of what he got up to here:- http://www.circletrack.com/ultimateracing/ctrp_0801_smokey_yunick/viewall.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funky munky Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Think this might run a while, with the change in the regs for the speed series for the record ime keeping my heavy windscreen and wiper motor etc and running in Class D, who is joining me ? Stephen h have you decided yet ? Will a full cage fit around a standard screen ? advice welcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 But as kit cars they dont all get built at the factory or to factory manuals John Loudons car ran a smaller than normal screen and that was legal I'm not certain how that's possible unless the smaller screen was a 'factory special' (for specialist production cars there is a minimum quantity for chassis but not for bodywork options). A modified windscreen would be contrary to the Blue Book definitions of both Standard Part and Silhouette. On reflection (no pun intended) John's windscreen must have been a factory option at some time. Interestingly the production requirements in the Blue Book are different for Specialist Production and Kit Cars but it is the Specialist Production requirements that must be complied with for sprints/hillclimbs ~ S11 does not use the phrase Kit Car anywhere in its various clauses. Grannie Annie (going for a lie down to rest my brain for a while). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenh Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I'm definitely going in class D, when I can register for the 2013 season, and always assuming I don't get banned for "**** stirring" Oh, and I'm going to do it with an aeroscreen which will comply with the new regs, unless they get changed again. And it won't be a Westfield aeroscreen. Personally, I'm quite relaxed about the question of S 11. I'm not competing in anything but the Speed Series, and I'm quite relaxed about what class I end up in on the day so far as the organisers are concerned. Oh, and my mate Rob is expecting to make it for this season, and will be running in class D. Well, he had to when he heard I was changing classes because his main aim is trying to beat me!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodman Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I think- The shape and size of the windscreen no longer matters in roadgoing as far as the WSCC speed series is concerned. Although you still need an aeroscreen at least However,The individual organising clubs can still insist on full screens , as Annie describes. If your screen did not meet the organising clubs requirements I think they would simply move youfrom roadgoing to modified This would not effect your westfield SS points However most organisers dont really seem to be stringent as long as it has a proper screen (if they have asked for one) because there is usually a mix of different kit cars in the roadgoing classes , all with slightly varying angles and sizes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Everall Posted January 11, 2013 Author Share Posted January 11, 2013 The striker screens are smaller and raked back better than the Westfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Morcom Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Personally I would say that you should follow the spirit of the competition. If it road going it should be road going, if you enter the Westfield SS then it should be a Westfield constructed with Westfield parts (or exact replacement of original fitments), if you follow the general classes then stretch the regulations to the limit. If you want to be very competitive and win with no morals then fit whatever you want. The scrutineer will know no better and it will take a "fellow" competitor to appeal against you. I had a situation where I competed in a class quite legitimately at one event, checked fully with the scutineers that all was ok, even suggested that I moved class as all the Westfields were in a different class. Was against highly modified front-wheel drive cars. Practice and first two timed runs were wet and they were quicker, last run was drying and I thrashed them. No challenges and I was awarded the class trophy. A few days later I received the same email as everyone else saying that the winner of class x had been disqualified as was in the wrong class! Strangely I will struggle to return to that event and would never wish to compete against the rest of the class again. I will stick to the classes which are predominantly Westfields and win or loose on the course. Had a few Friday evening beers and wines ; cant wait for my first 2013 event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenh Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I hope it is a good vintage Paul. See you soon, I guess you'll be sticking to the spirit of class F and not joining me in class D? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Morcom Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 I think- The shape and size ................. with slightly varying angles and sizes What are you talking about But size does matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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