Ian Bunker Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I plan to fit a Type 9 five speedbox into my narrow. When removing the engine is it easier / better to split the engine and gearbox in situ and take them out separately? This strikes me as being easier then taking the whole assembly up and out as one piece. Any advice much appreciaied. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo97 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Recently had to remove my gearbox and certainly found it easier to separate the engine from gearbox and remove separately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pickmaster Andy Lowe Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Just picked up a 5 speed box yesterday and planing the same swap Will be interested to see how easy it all fits!!!! Can you see any problems with mounting position, length of prop shaft or gear stick position with this swap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Chairman Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 When removing the engine is it easier / better to split the engine and gearbox in situ and take them out separately? I don't think there's a definitive answer to that one I'm afraid. There's too many variations car to car. Mine (a wide with an XE/Type 9 and the wider MT75 tunnel) was a sheer living hell to try and put back as one unit. I had an absolute nightmare of a job trying to do it that way and at one point ended up stuck, unable to remove the engine box and start again, but unable to go forward either. I ended up having to strip far more off the car than I've ever needed to do putting them back one at a time. Plenty have found it a similar experience to mine. On the other hand I know plenty of people on here that will tell you the opposite, that the engine/box practically sailed in as one unit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I've had to take my engine and gear box out about six times in the last two years and I'd say split. 1. you are less likely to snag a cable or break line or whatever. 2. you won't get as much transmission fluid all over the floor. 3. you have to separate them anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pickmaster Andy Lowe Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I've had to take my engine and gear box out about six times in the last two years and I'd say split. 1. you are less likely to snag a cable or break line or whatever. 2. you won't get as much transmission fluid all over the floor. 3. you have to separate them anyway. I like that reply :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markcoopers Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Recently had to remove my gearbox and certainly found it easier to separate the engine from gearbox and remove separately. What happend, why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammy Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 yep split it.... Have a look at my WWW link below, and click on "Xe install" - I went from a 2000e box to a type 9, it was a tight fit, but doing it again I'd put it an inch further forward than i did to get more space. Mods will depend on what you are replacing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff oakley Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 You will find you will need to remove a cross bar on the gear box tunnel top and reweld further back. The gear stick hole is right where that is. I always fit as one unit but jack up the rear first and fix the engine on an angle so it slids in then lower the rear of the car and fasten it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welly Jen Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I plan to fit a Type 9 five speedbox into my narrow. When removing the engine is it easier / better to split the engine and gearbox in situ and take them out separately? This strikes me as being easier then taking the whole assembly up and out as one piece. Any advice much appreciaied. Thanks Just to be a bit contrary, my car has the same combination of Pinto engine, narrow body and type 9 as the original poster and there is no problem taking the engine and gearbox out as a unit. With the old radiator it was better to remove that first. Lining up the gearbox and clutch is much easier with them out of the car. The engine/gearbox combination needs to go in/out at a steep angle. Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidgh Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I prefer to do it as one unit. (I just hate the hassle of reconnecting the box in situ). Both methods ideally need two people for the critical stages. If trying to remove in one unit, make sure you have a crane with sufficient height capability. The car will need to be up on stands, and you'll need to lift the aggregate over the radiator. A "load leveller" helps a lot (but eats a bit of crane height). Don't forget to have a plug ready for the rear of the box immediately the prop slips out!! HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenh Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Don't forget to have a plug ready for the rear of the box immediately the prop slips out!! HTH Probably a good idea to drain the gearbox oil before it comes out of the car?! :d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Pete Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 no drain plug on most ford boxes (type 9 included). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7sRWild Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Did mine as one unit, no problem. Once the whole unit is loose start raising the engine and move it forward enough to let the prop shaft come out, this is where the second person is needed....they are under the car with the container to catch the tranny fluid. Let the whole assembly sit on an angle for a while to let the gear box drain.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Chase (NICO) - Shropshire & Mid-Wales AO Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I always remove prop first, then plug hole with the original Sierra prop stub. Oil stays in. Then remove as one unit, narrow with standard tunnel and wide with MT75 tunnel. I have never split the engine and gearbox. Installation takes a bit of jiggling, take it slowly and it goes in ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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