thos Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 More here: http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=11807&start=3930 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Albert Posted November 8, 2012 Author Share Posted November 8, 2012 (edited) Let's knock anybody that's good at what they do. That's what distinguishes the British from most other countries.It's a good job that WADA didn't think like you, otherwise BALCO would still be bio-engineering performance enhancing drugs that can not be detected by drug tests...Just like Ferrari's flexi-floor and BAR's fuel tank within a fuel tank, Red Bull have likely deliberately designed a regulation contravening performance enhancement which passes the current test designed to prevent that advantage... I'll stick with my first observation, It's not clever, nor genius, just cheating Edited November 8, 2012 by Fat Albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoon68 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Side note: I heard a rumour today that Mercedes have offered Mr Newey an incredibly big offer for him to go to them! Could be good news for Lewis and Nico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markcoopers Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Who gives a f..... Point proven I think, F1 is so dull we talk about the nose cone flexing, I thought this was a motor race with cars and drivers and noise and passion....did I miss something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatbaldbloke Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 What I struggle with is why, if it's a flagrant breach of the rules, which is what cheating is, the Red Bull car isn't disqualified. The press release from Charlie Whiting actually says, Article 3.17.8 allows us to introduce new tests if we feel our guidelines are not being followed in an appropriate manner. If the Red Bull car passes the tests to the satisfaction of the scrutineers, and Charlie hasn't found it fit to amend the testing procedures, it must be adhering to the regulations, albeit it may well be interpreting them at their limit. Surely that is clever, it's what all the teams are striving to do, and not cheating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pistonbroke Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Its called innovation ! only those who cant find a performance edge within the regulations would call it cheating . Its what F1 designers do, and have been paid for doing for ions . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meakin Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 This is where I feel f1 is starting to fail. Its got that many regulations and extra bits tagged in that innovation is being stifled and classed as cheating. Back in the 60-70's Chapman and co were almost free to design anything and other designers then had to find other ways of improving their cars. Then the rules started coming in and hindering the progress. I would love to see F1 get to a "box" idea ie the cars must be safe for the driver but if it fits inside a box of certain dimensions, then its fine. We would see innovations in aerodynamics, suspension, electrics, engine systems.... everything. I think it would really be more exciting esp at the moment as take away the livery and I think people would struggle to recognise each car. I know I would. If it wasn't for DRS there would be no racing at all. Just my 2p worth Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenh Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Take away the rules and it would go back to being a very dangerous sport, like it used to be many years ago. Too many talented drivers lost their lives in those days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Verona Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 The original concept of F1 was to improve the cars in showrooms. It still does that but is constricted by a myriad of rules. Take away all the rules other than the car must be safe and an engineering panel should asses the safety aspect. Set engine limits and that's it. You will get some very innovative cars and much better racing. It won't happen as the rule makers will lose the power and money they have built up to serve themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D7PNY Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 And this is precisely why f1 does absolutely nothing to excite me. This has been better to watch but other than a few genius talent moments - Raikonen (sp.) Overtaking up au rouge (sp.) To name one. Most of the 'racing' as been playstation like with the drs etc so the car in front stood no chance. I keep holding out for it to improve but for me I still find it quite dull if I'm brutally honest. And this is coming from someone who absolutely loves motorsport which by definition means it is failing in my opinion. I understand they introduced all this stuff to move away from the lack of overtaking etc previously but to me they are missing the point. Plenty other same model series etc that are nothing but action from start to finish.Limit the power, limit the aero mods to a degree and then give them free rein to add a bit of flair to the sport in my opinion. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory's Dad Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 The big front aerofoils sticking out like that are so vulnerable if the racing gets close - should be no wider than inside the wheels IMO and moved back a bit too. Rory's Dad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meakin Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Take away the rules and it would go back to being a very dangerous sport, like it used to be many years ago. Too many talented drivers lost their lives in those days. Quite agree but I did say that the driver needs to be safe. The point I was trying to make was that innovation and radical designs are literally being ruled out. Chapman was renoun for his designs (they were not particularly safe though), some of those concepts are still used today. I would love to see a "new chapman" in formula 1. We understand safety more now and I'm sure it could be made to ensure as safe as possible (there will always be some risk - its not knitting). BUT allow more freedom in car design. IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenh Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 There has been a "New Chapman" in formula 1 for a long time now. He is called Adrian Newey and he is a genius. The only man ever to have designed championship winning formula 1 cars for 3 different manufacturers. He is reputedly paid more than most of the drivers, and he's certainly worth more than most of the drivers. He doesn't cheat, he just studies the rules and works out where the loopholes are. ;) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meakin Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Yes but imagine the innovation he could make if the rules weren't so restrictive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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