Norman Verona Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 I disagree about the Brits being xenophobic. We must be the must multi-cultural society in the world. If you really want to see race prejudice go the the US. (capt'n, better get more stock in) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man On The Clapham Omnibus Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Multiple choice quizzes are always unsatisfactory IMHO. I'm inclined to feel that, as with so many things, this study's finding is a gross oversimplification. For that reason, as I didn't want to abstain, I voted 'no' as the nearest option. Had there been a 'more complicated than that' option rather than 'don't know' I'd have gone for that. 'Don't know' always seems to equate with 'don't give a damn' or 'can't be bothered' so I veer off from that too. 'Yes' would have been, ironically, prejudiced I think. Prejudice can be a lazy option for some people who cannot be bothered to think for themselves. Once you've dismissed a population group as 'bad', or 'lazy', you don't have to think about them any more. As for the answer, I've know very intelligent people who were prejudiced and vice versa. Norman's answer is interesting and it begs the question whether having been the victim of prejudice makes one think differently from how you might have thought without that experience. Not being a member of any 'minority' I haven't even suffered discrimination. I seem to recall Dustin Hoffman saying, when he was on the studio premises in character and costume as 'Tootsie' the transvestite he observed what it was like to be a middle aged female in the world of the young, substantially male, workers on a sound stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lippydave Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Stupid people are likely to have stupid views.... Hardly ground breaking research is it? :laugh: I disagree with you Rocket-rabbit BTW. In comparison with many other nations Britain is fairly liberal, that's why ****e like the Daily Mail exists. For tolerance of any kind to be functional, it needs to show tolerance to either side of an argument surely? I don't think Brit's are xenophobic, there is a big difference between patriotism and xenophobia...I know plenty of Asian Muslim Brummies who are fiercley patriotic about England whilst retaining a pride in their Asian origins.....After all we all come from different places yet originate from the same place too.... If you think Britain is racist or xenophobic, go visit North America for a while and figure out just how tolerant we are by comparison. BTW That's not ant-American, (that would be racist... :laugh: ), but simply a reflection of how it's appeared to me.. It is multi-faceted too. One time (back in the early '80's) on a 6 week stay in Baltimore I was err, errm, socialising on a familiar regular basis... :d with the African-American receptionist at our hotel. She was of NY origin and said she would love to take me to Harlem, but feared that as a white man with a black girl that it would likely spark trouble....Think it may be more relaxed now, but racism occurs on every facet of the colour spectrum.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man On The Clapham Omnibus Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Socialising eh? To refer obliquely to West Side Story and the Officer Krupke number, I hope there were no 'social diseases'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lippydave Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 She was a hotel receptionist, do you think she may have been a "serial socialiser" then? :laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket_rabbit Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Stupid people are likely to have stupid views.... Hardly ground breaking research is it? :laugh: I disagree with you Rocket-rabbit BTW. In comparison with many other nations Britain is fairly liberal, that's why ****e like the Daily Mail exists. For tolerance of any kind to be functional, it needs to show tolerance to either side of an argument surely? I don't think Brit's are xenophobic, there is a big difference between patriotism and xenophobia...I know plenty of Asian Muslim Brummies who are fiercley patriotic about England whilst retaining a pride in their Asian origins.....After all we all come from different places yet originate from the same place too.... If you think Britain is racist or xenophobic, go visit North America for a while and figure out just how tolerant we are by comparison. BTW That's not ant-American, (that would be racist... :laugh: ), but simply a reflection of how it's appeared to me.. It is multi-faceted too. One time (back in the early '80's) on a 6 week stay in Baltimore I was err, errm, socialising on a familiar regular basis... :d with the African-American receptionist at our hotel. She was of NY origin and said she would love to take me to Harlem, but feared that as a white man with a black girl that it would likely spark trouble....Think it may be more relaxed now, but racism occurs on every facet of the colour spectrum.... You see I think patriotism is a bit outdated now too. The world is a smaller place now so you are in it for yourself. You, me, them don't owe the Queen anything and we pay our taxes. The politicians are working for themselves, the bankers are working for themselves, corporations are working for themselves, so why shouldn't we?Don't take me wrong, I don't hate it here at all, just that we all pay our way to be here! And when you are out with your mate to see him be a victim of racism, it'll make you think in a different way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Jones Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Musicians are considered a bad risk for motor insurance. Does that mean that they all work late into the evening and then drink and drive? This is a tough problem to solve. I am no fan of the way many studies are reported because the headlines and intros are virtually always massively misleading, but businesses have to operate some way on diverse groups and stats for all its flaws is the tool of the trade. I have always been fairly protective of my personal information having worked online a lot. But I am coming around to a view that in order to get better value for me, then the best strategy for me and a supplier may be to find a way to provide that extra insight that stats can't. So should musicians install car tracking devices to reduce premiums? or should I stop disabling online tracking so I get more relevant adds which in turn can support better free services for me to use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Colonial Posted January 29, 2012 Author Share Posted January 29, 2012 Musicians are not a higher risk or more unsafe than any other group. It's just that, like actors and TV presenters, if they are severely injured and suffer career-ending injuries, the compensation payout would be massive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Verona Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Sorry Capt'n but unknown and out-of-work musicians are loaded for car insurance as well as the superstars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Colonial Posted January 29, 2012 Author Share Posted January 29, 2012 Yes, but being unknown or out-of-work doesn't stop them being musicians who could suddenly lose their lifetime ability to be a musician. The other thing taken into consideration is that the people who ride with musicians, TV presenters and actors tends to be other musicians, TV presenters and actors, which increases the payout risks hugely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lippydave Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 The insurance companies base their business model around statistics.... To quote Mark Twain (who was quoting Disraeli), 'There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics..." Or to put it another way... "92.76% of statistics are made up...." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lippydave Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 You see I think patriotism is a bit outdated now too. The world is a smaller place now so you are in it for yourself. You, me, them don't owe the Queen anything and we pay our taxes. The politicians are working for themselves, the bankers are working for themselves, corporations are working for themselves, so why shouldn't we?Don't take me wrong, I don't hate it here at all, just that we all pay our way to be here! And when you are out with your mate to see him be a victim of racism, it'll make you think in a different way. Surely patriotism is just an extension of our natural tribalism? We all have groups, associations, affiliations, clubs, societies, families etc with which we feel a natural sense of empathy and connection...Patriotism is just a version of this? A good friend of mine is a half-caste lad, (well he was a good friend before he initially introduced me and my wife to one another by dropping a pint glass on her foot, but that's another story)... He occasionally gets idiotic abuse from coloured bigots because of his association with white people and occasionally gets idiotic abuse from white bigots for the opposite reason.....How funny is that? Two opposing prejudiced groups with the same racial target....F*cking morons... I reckon that's as good a demonstration of how ludicrous racism is as you could get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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