DixieTheKid Posted February 13, 2011 Posted February 13, 2011 Hi all, Ive been meaning to order my kit for a while but im always scratching my head and changing my mind about the donar. Now ive seen a Scorpio Cosworth (BOA) fairly cheap and it seems to me you get a lot for your money, in an ideal world yes i would put a YB in it but its the cost! 3k + for an old 2wd cossie before ive even started the build. There are a lot of mixed opinions about this engine, but to throw a little money at it and some forced induction, all of a sudden we are talking 300+ BHP. Ok, i know ill still need a few seirra parts but it seams providing i buy the right model i can use a good 60% of the scorpio parts as a donar. (might be a bit close to get an age related plate) What do you guys think, or shall i just get an old sierra and throw a zetec at it? Any info would be good, thanks all Chris Quote
MrL Posted February 13, 2011 Posted February 13, 2011 Isn't the V6 going to be a bit big and heavy , compared to the 4 cyl engines ? Quote
DixieTheKid Posted February 13, 2011 Author Posted February 13, 2011 I did think that myself, but after looking into it the extra weight is not that much really. Much of the aux is pritty much going in the bin! Plus i thought i would be different Quote
Boney Posted February 13, 2011 Posted February 13, 2011 Hi a memeber called Kynather was going to fit the engine you are thinking of. I am sure last time I spoke to Martin he had the engine and even the correct gearbox to mount in a westie. maybe worth dropping him a pm as he did a lot of home work and searching for right bits for his westie but he has gone an alternative route now so all available to get from him Boney Quote
Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Chairman Posted February 13, 2011 Posted February 13, 2011 Can make a stunning sound. Quote
DixieTheKid Posted February 13, 2011 Author Posted February 13, 2011 Thanks Boney, ill do just that. Makes me wonder why he changed his mind. Yeah i thought it would sound pritty awsome too....... Quote
markcoopers Posted February 13, 2011 Posted February 13, 2011 It will fit, there are a few running that engine, mated to a Type 9 box i think. Not sure what the rest of the 60% is that you wanted to fit though. Personally i would leave the forced inductiuon alone as about 200bhp will be pretty dam rapid as it is. + 2 x every thing is going to cost so why not just buy the cossy to start with? Quote
leighc Posted February 14, 2011 Posted February 14, 2011 Would be a bit different - I can remember someone on here having VX V6 on TB's and it looked awesome. one off manifolds/ sump aren't going to be cheap though Quote
nikpro Posted February 14, 2011 Posted February 14, 2011 What you really need to ask yourself is: Why do i want to buy a Westfield/Seven type Car? When you have the answer we can comment further. take Care Quote
DixieTheKid Posted February 14, 2011 Author Posted February 14, 2011 Yeah 60% might of been a bit optimistic, 60% of the running gear may be. Think i can use the following donar parts from the Scorpio (looking at buying the MDV kit). Engine BOA LSD Drive shafts Hubs i think fit (but would then have to do a 5 stud converstion on the sierra front hubs) Rear Calipers Front Calipers Hand Brake Not sure about the prop? I was thinking MT75 box, cossie clutch & 4x4 fly wheel. I believe that will work?!? I think a type 9 will just die and to be honest i went through 3 type 9's in 6 months in my escort so they dont fill me with a lot of hope! Quote
DixieTheKid Posted February 14, 2011 Author Posted February 14, 2011 Hi nikpro, The reason i want a westie is mainlly for a bit on fun in the summer and may be a bit of fun the strip at the ford fair, those types of things really. Plus i love the look of the Westie and have done for years! Now i have the cash i have to own one. As mentioned the only real reason i am considering the 24v Cosworth is 1) down to cost and 2) to be a little different from the norm.... When you think you can get 200bhp and most of the running gear for less than a grand it just seems a cheap option. Quote
nikpro Posted February 14, 2011 Posted February 14, 2011 Hi nikpro, The reason i want a westie is mainlly for a bit on fun in the summer and may be a bit of fun the strip at the ford fair, those types of things really. Plus i love the look of the Westie and have done for years! Now i have the cash i have to own one. As mentioned the only real reason i am considering the 24v Cosworth is 1) down to cost and 2) to be a little different from the norm.... When you think you can get 200bhp and most of the running gear for less than a grand it just seems a cheap option. Whilst it might initially seem like a cheap option the majority of the cost of the car will not be made up of the donor parts but the parts you buy from Westfield/Elsewhere. The money yo save on the donor parts will be a smallish fraction of the total build cost. Fitting this type of engine may well compromise the ethos of the 'seven' type car. they are lightweight sports cars and this is the reason they are so good. The 4cylc. Cosworth engine is already at the 'heavy' end of engine fitment so saying the 6cyl. isn't much heavier isn't really that good. The Mazda SDV route is the better option then maybe turbo/supercharge that engine if you are after insane power levels. (Personally I think that anything over 180bhp is a bit of a waste in these cars anyway). I'm all for being different but only when it will be better! Quote
MK11 Posted February 14, 2011 Posted February 14, 2011 Will the 24v engine (FBA or FBC) actually fit in the car? It is an exceedingly wide engine because it has a DOHC head on both banks. The 12v version (TC) is much, much narrower (like 50%) since it has a central camshaft and over head rockers like a Rover V8. Either engine (FB or TC) uses essentially the same big, heay, cast iron block, the FB heads are Coscast aluminium ones and IIRC the 12v were cast iron heads. Personally, if you want a V engine, go for the Rover (nice light aluminium) for the noise, or an I4 with turbo or supercharger for power. Quote
markcoopers Posted February 14, 2011 Posted February 14, 2011 That said chap, it will be different and if you have the skills then go for it. We would however say that if you need to purchase things then elements will be expensive, Like exhausts will be 2 x one off makes Inlet will probably need a bit of fabrication ECU will be aftermarket jobbie i'd hazzard a guess Sump will be a 1 off jobbie, you will need ground clearence engine mounts will need to be made Sounds like you have the transmision sorted, but what diff does the LSD fit in. If it is a Ford 7 or 7.5" then chassis exist for these. I'm not up in me ford diff knowledge you see. Would be a very cool car but don't underestimate the amount of "pioneering" you would be doing. Quote
jeff oakley Posted February 15, 2011 Posted February 15, 2011 being individual costs money. I think you need look at it overall, what will it handle like, nose heavy, it will be thirsty, what will be the resale chances. Getting it in the hole will fit but realistically lots will need fabricating that you can only imagine. Yes it will sound great but that will be from £2,500 worth of special manifold and pipes, not looking so cheap now. Just a note as well, spares for the 24v Cosworth are getting scarce, pistons are now batch made by Mahle so if you are doing it buy a spare engine as well. If I was doing a mad one, look on ebay, there was a V6 jag and 6 speed manual box , 270 bhp in a tight V Quote
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