Caught by the fuzz...

[SteveD]

shumacher is still a nunney

ooop's wrong thread sorry

[Carl]

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However you try to cut it, (IMHO) that video is an illustration of over-zealous , over-officious, overly-aggressive , under-brained thugs in uniform....Give 'em some black uniforms and long leather trench coats and maybe they'd feel more at home......

Without knowing what has gone on before it's impossible to tell if this is an over reaction! For all we know this was the end of a 50 miles chase during which he'd run over numerous people (alledgely!)

If it was Mr. Moat in the car we'd all be calling these guys hero's.

[Mike H]

The pension is indeed 11% of the salary but it isn't put in a pot it's kept by the force. The pensions are then paid out of the wages bill. This was fine when police retired at 65, it's not OK now thay have to retire at 55. It's the main reason we have too few police on the streets. It's not publicised as it was the politicians who have caused the problem.

If anyone here has done jury service or spent time in court (as an expert witness) you will know to always see both sides of the evidence and listen to the witnesses very carefully before judgement.

Thanks for clearing that up Norm, I was going to ask how the hell you can get 2/3 final salary on 11% contribution !!!   Housebeautician is right though most of the rest of us have been putting money away ourselves and are going to end up with diddly squat from our 'pot'.

Don't mention jury service to me, I'm doing it in a few weeks - I don't get paid while I'm doing it either.         Not sure that puts me in the best frame of mind for it to be honest.

Entertaining thread !

Mike      

[nikpro]

Thanks for clearing that up Norm, I was going to ask how the hell you can get 2/3 final salary on 11% contribution !!!  

...........because the average life expectancy of a Police officer retiring at 55 is under 10 years - would you still choose that pension knowing you are likely to be dead by 65yrs old  

[SteveD]

chuffin el fraze if thats the case you'v only got two years to go wuv before the kick the bucket, you coming out for a pint later ,you better make the most of it

[Mike H]

Thanks for clearing that up Norm, I was going to ask how the hell you can get 2/3 final salary on 11% contribution !!!  

...........because the average life expectancy of a Police officer retiring at 55 is under 10 years - would you still choose that pension knowing you are likely to be dead by 65yrs old  

You're quoting statistics out of context.  'Average' and 'likely' are totally different too.  Don't draw me into your argument,  I was only passing a comment on pensions.  

Mike  

[housebeautician]

Point2.  From a police vehicle   Really. If thats the case whats it doing on u tube,and why not show all of it if this looney pensioner is supposed to have committed an  offence then let us see him for what he is. And if its going to show the police in a bad light (As it does) then dont ruddy put it on u tube or sell it to the media goodness me.

The crest on the bonnet, text on the film and relections of the flashing lights kind of give it away  

Still, don't let the facts get in the way of a good opinion

Dont let missing the point get in the way of your stunning comeback  

[lippydave]

Nikpro.

It is because i have morals that i find that video disgusting.

I also find it amusing that you spent time hunting through previous posts to quote me out of context

WHAT?

A police officer modifying/quoting a statement out of contect so that it dovetails conveniently with the case he's trying to make?

Surely not?            

[lippydave]

[  Don't draw me into your argument,  I was only passing a comment on pensions.  

Mike  

Monty Python mode on....

"Are you here for an argument....?

"I've told you once already....."

     

[nikpro]

Point2.  From a police vehicle     Really.

I let readers decide their own opinions on what you meant by stating the above?  All I have said is that it's not correct to judge the actions of these officers without knowing the facts - that is not defending them or condoning what they are doing - it is just that no one here knows the FACTS!

[housebeautician]

In some respects its good surveillance cameras are everywhere because it catches all the coppers who take the pee

Where does it say in my post that it was taken by a surveillance camera.

Its hard to debate topics with people / persons who dont read the posts correctly. And the key word in your second quote from my other post is "REALLY". That for your information was sarcasm for stating the ruddy obvious.

I am beginning to think you are one of the boys in blue yourself  which would explain why you considered that 70 year old to be guilty and your defence of the thugs on the video.

Facts or no facts the video shows out of control policemen committing legalised violence on what they could clearly see was an old man in the car.

I would like to know from your point of view what crimes would warrant that sort of behaviour.

Perhaps wearing a flat cap without a license is one of them.

This debate is about opinions you believe one thing,i believe

something else. In my opinion your wrong

And one other point to be made is, being a plod ain't as dangerous a job as the soldiers out in Iraq etc, and they get less money.

[Captain Colonial]

Highly disappointed that no one, in the midst of all this arguing that changes no one's mind, a gift of a joke has gone begging.

"Caught by the fuzz..."

...and if you're ever been caught by the fuzz, you'll know just how painful that can be!

/we now return you to your regularly scheduled pointless argument

[Norman Verona]

Some posters are taking an unofficial peice of video, which they have no knowedge if it's been tampered (edited) with as gospel truth and evidence.

For example, do you know without any shadow of a doubt that the driver of the car hasn't driven off striking a police officer as he did so and showed evidence of trying to escape questioning for a serious offence. Do you know all the facts that surround the actions of the police officers.

The answers to these and many other questions are not known.

However some are ready to make judgements on a 30 second clip on You Tube.

The point about jury service is this. Every case you sit in judgement on you will wonder why you're hearing this at tyhe conclusion of the prosecution. You will think the accused is bang to rights and should save you all the trouble by pleading guilty. You will then hear the defence and at the end you will have a different opinion or be confused and not be sure if the accused is guilty or innocent.

Good luck with your education in reality.

[Norman Verona]

May I add that at the end of this discussion we all agree to continue to be mates and forget our differences.

Life's too short to fall out over these opinions. Maybe we're all wrong or all correct. Maybe we'll never know what really happened.

[nikpro]

May I add that at the end of this discussion we all agree to continue to be mates and forget our differences.

Life's too short to fall out over these opinions. Maybe we're all wrong or all correct. Maybe we'll never know what really happened.