Caught by the fuzz...

[Mike H]

nikpro really IS the new SteveD with bells on      

[nikpro]

I'm occasionally guilty of making sweeping and judgemental assumptions when I'm maybe don't have all the facts.

Seems we have something in common.

Without going into much detail, we didn't report the incident, the original assailant did. The police suggested easiest route was to take the caution....they obviously needed a "result", and didn't seem interested in further viewing the video, especially as my wife had no injury. Ii is in fact a bit more complicated than this, but I do not intend to go into this on this site...

In a fairly recent post you talked about the injustice of being caught speeding by a speed camera when you were certain that you were not speeding and talking about ways of protesting this  

Yet you now say your wife received a caution because it was suggested by the Police that it was the 'easiest' way!  Things don't make sense?

Anybody being interviewed by the Police has the right to free and independant legal advice - if a party is innocent nobody would suggest accepting a Caution because it is the 'easiest way' - you end up with a Criminal reccord; far more than a speeding ticket!

I know what is required to Caution someone and there has to be other evidence to show a persons guilt other than an admission from the suspect.

Persky - I don't agree with your observations.

The Police are just an easy target for criticism; they never answer back and we all feel let down by them at times, when if the full facts were known the outcome would probably always be similar.

In any profession there are 'bad apples' but the Police seem to get highlighted more than others.

[housebeautician]

In any profession there are 'bad apples' but the Police seem to get highlighted more than others.

More than builders then.............

Perhaps we should see tv programs about them, how about

                        "Coppers from hell'

Makes me laugh, you must not say anything about the boys in blue.

In the gwent incident it looks like the car had pulled over, there was no law car across it.so it didn't look like he was trying to make a big getaway and they had to force him to a stop.

And what was that prat doing jumping up and down on the bonnet for

Hypocritical little men on a power trip.

You cant blame the government or cutbacks for this incident.

In some respects its good surveillance cameras are everywhere because it catches all the coppers who take the pee, and there are a lot of them. How about the one who's suspended at the mo for punching a guy( 8 times) on the floor who's being sat on by two other plods and cant move. He's nothing but a thug in uniform.

If they want to gain respect from the public ( And i suspect they dont give a toss) they need to weed out these   holes and make an example of them.

And by the way im not anti police, they are needed in society, we just dont need ones like these.

[Bob Green]

Do you know what pisses me off with this thread?  Most people (and there are exceptions with the moral standing people who posted correctly, in my eyes) hate the Police.  When their son is beaten serverly on a Saturday night by some drunkard b*****d, they won't call the Police because they are "deletive".

So, what do you do.  I am interested

[jerryhzx12]

Probably the most sensible comment in a while on this one Bob - Whilst I have explained my lack of confidence in the boys in blue, in the final analysis I would rather we have someone ther as opposed to nobody....I've probably just been unlucky in my experiences, and in retrospect, their actions are driven by the way legislation and target setting is arranged.

My apologies if my original snipe at the fuz caused major offence, I was having a bit of a bad day.

Still, Boardroom would probably be a less interesting place if we didn't have a bit of diverse opinion on it.

[lippydave]

Not all coppers are c*nts.....

But the ones in that video appear to be doing a good impression of chav c*nts themselves.....

If that was a bunch of teenage thugs doing that, it would be on a "Stop-Police-camera" video (sold to the tv networks) with a condescending voice over from some supercilious t**t!  

If the force in general wish to be held in high esteem by Joe Public, they should be seen to make an example of these facist thugs, and F*** 'em off without any recourse to their gilt-lined pensions...  

W*nkers to the power of 10 in this instance IMNSFHO...

[housebeautician]

Do you know what pisses me off with this thread?  Most people (and there are exceptions with the moral standing people who posted correctly, in my eyes) hate the Police.  When their son is beaten serverly on a Saturday night by some drunkard b*****d, they won't call the Police because they are "deletive".

So, what do you do.  I am interested

"Most people hate the police"

A broad statement, any facts to back it up!

And if you have, is it any wonder when we see video's like the gwent incident

People dont call the police because they have no faith in them.

When you do, they come out with the six magic words, them being 'there is nothing we can do"

Most of the time they cant be bothered, because its just aggro to them.

In my experiences with the police of which number about four in my lifetime, all resulted in me the victim being left to "live with it". The last one was regarding my car being broken into and stuff stolen. First thing said to me was here is your crime no for the insurance, after a arguement with the person on the phone i was threatened with arrest if i didnt stop answering back. It was an unfunny joke.

So what do you do, i personally wont bother calling them again unless i need a crime no.

And if there are any other "problems" i'll deal with them myself.

Like i said i'm not anti police and i dont hate them, i just think that for the average joe public they are a waste time, sad but true.

And to be honest if this thread pisses you off,why read it.

I also make no apology for having a moan about them,and i see no reason why it should cause offence when i do.

[nikpro]

Probably the most sensible comment in a while on this one Bob - Whilst I have explained my lack of confidence in the boys in blue, in the final analysis I would rather we have someone ther as opposed to nobody....I've probably just been unlucky in my experiences, and in retrospect, their actions are driven by the way legislation and target setting is arranged.

My apologies if my original snipe at the fuz caused major offence, I was having a bit of a bad day.

Still, Boardroom would probably be a less interesting place if we didn't have a bit of diverse opinion on it.

With regards to the incident in Gwent - I would love to know how people have drawn the conclusions that they have...........probably because of the words of the newsreader who has re-iterated the story from the pensioner and also because they have an anti-Police bias themselves?

The video is not from a Security Camera but from the Police Patrol vehicle.

The video does not show the suspect driving off from the first stop check - did he nearly run a Police officer over whilst driving off? was there a shotgun on the back seat? Had he threatened anyone?.........we don't know the answers to these and probably many other questions!

There is obviously a patrol car infront of the range Rover and a Plain Clothes officer also turns up at the incident so it must have caused enough alarm to the original Officer to ask for this back-up.

Have you ever tried to break vehicle glass with a Police Batton - it is extremely difficult but the Suspect was obviously refusing to open his door to the Officers otherwise that would have made his arrest much easier.

He is quoted as having a heart condition - it's amazing how many people arrested by the Police have serious ailments and are on their way to see the doctor even at 2am when they are 'dragged off' the streets in some drunken stupper!

Don't judge the actions of officers by 30 econds of video of which we know NO facts; only the suspects own account - not surprisingly he states he is innocent!  

Oh...........and please tell me about the 'gilt edged pension' Police officers receive - because that is a huge misconception as well!

(After working 30 years and paying 11% of their salary into a fund they receive 2/3rd's of their final anual wages - good but nothing exceptional; it's also very poor if they don't manage to acheive a full 30 years.

Most of the Public sector pay 4.6-6% of their salary and end up with a comparrable pension after 35 years.)

[housebeautician]

With regards to the incident in Gwent - I would love to know how people have drawn the conclusions that they have...........probably because of the words of the newsreader who has re-iterated the story from the pensioner and also because they have an anti-Police bias themselves?

The video is not from a Security Camera but from the Police Patrol vehicle.

The video does not show the suspect driving off from the first stop check - did he nearly run a Police officer over whilst driving off? was there a shotgun on the back seat? Had he threatened anyone?.........we don't know the answers to these and probably many other questions!

There is obviously a patrol car infront of the range Rover and a Plain Clothes officer also turns up at the incident so it must have caused enough alarm to the original Officer to ask for this back-up.

Have you ever tried to break vehicle glass with a Police Batton - it is extremely difficult but the Suspect was obviously refusing to open his door to the Officers otherwise that would have made his arrest much easier.

He is quoted as having a heart condition - it's amazing how many people arrested by the Police have serious ailments and are on their way to see the doctor even at 2am when they are 'dragged off' the streets in some drunken stupper!

Don't judge the actions of officers by 30 econds of video of which we know NO facts; only the suspects own account - not surprisingly he states he is innocent!  

Oh...........and please tell me about the 'gilt edged pension' Police officers receive - because that is a huge misconception as well!

(After working 30 years and paying 11% of their salary into a fund they receive 2/3rd's of their final anual wages - good but nothing exceptional; it's also very poor if they don't manage to acheive a full 30 years.

Most of the Public sector pay 4.6-6% of their salary and end up with a comparrable pension after 35 years.)

In response to nikpro's post

Point 1. truth is people would probably form an opinion from looking at the video and see these so called policemen in a red mist going mental with boots and batons rather than a few words on film from some hack.

Point2.  From a police vehicle  Really. If thats the case whats it doing on u tube,and why not show all of it if this looney pensioner is supposed to have committed an  offence then let us see him for what he is. And if its going to show the police in a bad light (As it does) then dont ruddy put it on u tube or sell it to the media goodness me.

Point3. "Was there a shotgun on the backseat" If thats the case,it makes them bigger prats than ever,especially the one jumping up and down on the bonnet

Point 4.

That 70 year old must have really alarmed all them Plods.

Point5. Its no wonder he didn't want to open the ruddy door when he has these nutters attacking him. He was probably laying on the seat covering his head and hiding from the onslaught

One plain clothes plod on site could have been anyone to the old boy.

Point 6.  Maybe your being a bit cynical,they might be telling the truth.

Point 7. In this country we are deemed innocent until proven guilty i believe.

It looks like you have already judged him guilty by 30 seconds of video!

Point 8.

b****y right its gilt edged, paid for by the taxpayer.

Point 9.

I have had to pay for my own pension for years with no help from the taxpayer,and its been devalued and guaranteed bonuses withdrawn at the drop of a hat and at the end of the day it wont be worth sod all, so please dont  give me their hard luck story cause its b*****ks.

If you think its that bad mate i'll swop mine for yours  

And if being a copper is so bad and they are so misunderstood and underpaid. Then they should ruddy leave.

I've worked for a few plods in my time and i've never seen a poor one.

[lippydave]

In response to nikpro's post

I was going to try and scribe something insightful and thoughtful , and articulate, but reading housebeauticians repsonse, there is no further need.....  

NikPro, I can see that you have a point, but from my own perspective there doesn't really appear to be any justification for the behaviour of the idiots on their own video.....

Lamentably in defending them, you are helping re-inforce prejudice against the police force.

I have several friends who seem to be decent blokes and are coppers, but if the force doesn't weed out the thugs and imbeciles within the ranks then don't start bleating when they get a bit of bad press.....

There are idiots in all walks of life, but when you are paid by the taxpayer to "protect and serve" (to steal an Americanism), then it's doubly idiotic to throw stones inside the greenhouse that the rest of us financed IMHO.....

If you don't wish to be criticised by the public, then don't take our hard earned tax money and squander it by paying dimwitted thugs to wear a uniform...and then have the stupidity and audacity to film it and allow it into the public domain....          

[nikpro]

Previous Posts from our rational thinking Mr. Lippydave & Housebeautician - surprising how they've gone all moral now  

Lippydave:

Cut out the middle man, save some wedge and just execute or torture the feckers here......

If they hate us that much, let's at least give the c*nts some potential justification for wanting to kill our families.....    

Human rights my fat ******' A***.....Grrrrrrrrrr    

Housebeautician:

Says it all  

And how far do we let them go before we do something about it, Let them take the P**s out of us for ever more or send the piece of s***e back where it came from and care not one jot if he gets killed by his so called brothers.

I cant wait to see the do gooders faces when the s**t hits the fan.

Housebeautician:

Really pleased to hear your boy adjusted his face. Just hope the old bill lose the paperwork.

At the end of the day they will get away with it, its a shame we cant cut their hands off.

Just a couple of examples of our 'liberal' level headed posters who don't like any violence towards people who commit offences  

I'm sure the Police aren't that bothered if they have the support of yourselves  

..............I'm not defending the Officers in the video, if you were actually able to read my post without bias you will find that I do say it is unfair to judge because none of us Know the facts...................but you both seem to prefer summary execution or mutilation as shown by previous postings  

The taxpayer pays nothing towards the Police pension; serving officers pay for retired officers through their 11% contributions    (but you obviously think the Police should work for no pay and don't understand the concept that they are also taxpayers and pay far more of their salary into a pension scheme than you probably do with NO employer contributions).

Housebeautician:

If you were observant enough you would see that the camera the incident in Gwent was taken from displays the Police Crest on the bonnet of the car and also the vascar info - not what you usually find on your average mobile phone!

The Police haven't released this to the media but under disclosure rules they must give the video to third parties involved - not surprisingly it has been edited by these third parties and posted on the internet to show exactly what they want - and you have fallen for it without knowing the facts!  

(Or maybee you just prefer to slate the Police without knowing Facts and live in a lawless society   )

[Norman Verona]

I haven't been following this thread as I thought it was about getting caught speeding.

I worked with South Yorkshire Police for 10 years.

Most of you wouldn't do their job for any money let alone what they get paid, which isn't very much. You are at constant risk of being injured or killed. You mustn't make a mistake as if you do you'll probably be thrown to wolves by the senior officers and their suport just dissapears.

The pension is indeed 11% of the salary but it isn't put in a pot it's kept by the force. The pensions are then paid out of the wages bill. This was fine when police retired at 65, it's not OK now thay have to retire at 55. It's the main reason we have too few police on the streets. It's not publicised as it was the politicians who have caused the problem.

If anyone here has done jury service or spent time in court (as an expert witness) you will know to always see both sides of the evidence and listen to the witnesses very carefully before judgement.

As has been said the Utube video is non admissible evidence and if you want to draw conclusions from it you'll almosr certainly find yourself embarresed.

In conclusion may I say that I have a very good friend who's life is in ruins due to the actions of a drunken football hooligan and he has recieved no support from his senior officers who dropped him in the smelly stuff because there was a hint of his wrong doing. An enquiry brought out the truth (that he did nothing wrong) but it was too late.

[Carl]

Point2.  From a police vehicle   Really. If thats the case whats it doing on u tube,and why not show all of it if this looney pensioner is supposed to have committed an  offence then let us see him for what he is. And if its going to show the police in a bad light (As it does) then dont ruddy put it on u tube or sell it to the media goodness me.

The crest on the bonnet, text on the film and relections of the flashing lights kind of give it away  

Still, don't let the facts get in the way of a good opinion

[Norman Verona]

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If anyone here has done jury service or spent time in court (as an expert witness) you will know to always see both sides of the evidence and listen to the witnesses very carefully before judgement

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Still, don't let the facts get in the way of a good opinion

What facts?

[Carl]

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What facts?

Read again Norm, crest on the bonnet, flashers, text on video