ludo Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 I know I'm being stupid but if the stewards made this decision did they have time to refer the matter to senior FIA management? If not then, if there's a big enough uproar, and it would appear there is* would it not be PC for the FIA to reverse the ruling before it get it out of hand. The delay between the end of the race and the penalty was quite long so I would think that all the important people within the FIA were informed, even uncle Charlie. Quote
combatsapph Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 One of the race stewards prev form:- QUOTE In an email to Morrie Chandler, the president of the World Rally Championship, that was leaked to Reuters, Thatthi complained: "I watched the WRC Mexico highlights last night and I have to voice my opinion on the poor appearance of Sebastien Loeb on WRC-TV". "He was unshaven, scruffy looking and with unkempt hair! It is wrong....when the FIA gives him global TV coverage to millions of viewers and to many children worldwide he is a hero and role model. "I know there is a level of personal freedom one is allowed but I feel he is taking this too far and someone should talk to him or his team about this." And these people are in charge of deciding rule infringements? Quote
Matt Seabrook Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 That'll teach him... at some point during the year perhaps someone at McLaren will give Lewis a copy of the real rule book to read as opposed to the bent one McLaren seem to prefer to use. What a suprise... LOL well I could say the same too... same people seemingly having no problem with another rule break from a McLaren. Neil I have always tried to be impartial over the McL. V F situation and have defended some of the FIA's rules against McL. but this is just a joke. McL have shown that they lifted down the straight and slowed by 6km more than Kimi which looking at how Lewis is pulling away from Kimi was a large lift. Had it been the other way round you would have been asking for action to be taken against the double blocking move down to start straight. You are just trying to stir things up aren't you. Why did you pick yellow for your car and not red Quote
steve_m Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Ferrari cheating again, what a surprise, can't they win something on their own merit these days ? Quote
tex Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 yea - it was disgraceful - he did clearly lift and let him by, even when you watch the in car footage you see him watching KR pass they were both then giving hell for leather to the next corner after that.. *IF* i were sat as a FIA (Fix It All) judge the only thing i could *possibly* deem to be not fair *maybe* that LH might of used the cutting to get close enough to sling shot - BUT he was already close enough before the corner so he didnt gain distance by cutting if they had both continued round the chicane side by side as they were very nearly neck n neck - he was already close enough to KR to pass him in an obviously quicker car that decision was disgraceful in my eyes.. especially as the only two people it invoved were LH and KR - at the end of the race they knew KR was a DNF so why was ferrari allowed to complain if their driver wasnt even at the finish? the incident should only be between the 2 drivers - if LH did a wrong move the result should be to put him behind the other infringed driver 25 seconds? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? taking the P**s.. Quote
Carl Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 I guess the FIA are saying that if Lewis didn't cut that chicane, but backed off behind Kimi and stayed on the track then he would have been hundreds of yrds behind over the start / finish (instead of about 2yrds!) Carl Quote
FW500 Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 That'll teach him... at some point during the year perhaps someone at McLaren will give Lewis a copy of the real rule book to read as opposed to the bent one McLaren seem to prefer to use. What a suprise... LOL well I could say the same too... same people seemingly having no problem with another rule break from a McLaren. Neil I have always tried to be impartial over the McL. V F situation and have defended some of the FIA's rules against McL. but this is just a joke. McL have shown that they lifted down the straight and slowed by 6km more than Kimi which looking at how Lewis is pulling away from Kimi was a large lift. Had it been the other way round you would have been asking for action to be taken against the double blocking move down to start straight. You are just trying to stir things up aren't you. Why did you pick yellow for your car and not red I've been rumbled. My dad called me up to give me the news last night (he's a McLaren fan). I said that I'd rather the decision hadn't been made in all honesty. That said, and I'm not defending the decision in any way, the point that Lewis handed the position back to Kimi is not necessarily enough to consider an advantage being taken. As has been said he should have just backed off and had a go later in the lap. Quote
FW500 Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 ... if there's a big enough uproar, and it would appear there is* would it not be PC for the FIA to reverse the ruling before it get it out of hand. I think the epicentre of any uproar is in the UK. The Italians, Brazilians, and the Tifosi may see things a little differently. Quote
neilb Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 That'll teach him... at some point during the year perhaps someone at McLaren will give Lewis a copy of the real rule book to read as opposed to the bent one McLaren seem to prefer to use. What a suprise... LOL well I could say the same too... same people seemingly having no problem with another rule break from a McLaren. Your taking the p**s surely? You can't seriously agree with this? Massa was found guilty (that fact is beyond dispute because they fined him) of an unsafe release from the pits in Valencia and was handed a €10k fine. This flies in the face of the FIA's own rules which state if a competitor is found guilty of an unsafe release from the pits they will be subjected to either: a) A 10 stop and go penalty. b) A drive through penalty. c) 25 seconds added to their overall race time. Hamilton attempted to overtake Kimi and got pushed wide, by Kimi, and had to take to the escape road. He lets Kimi retake the position, by enough of a margin that he can switch to a different side of the track *BEHIND* him and then overtakes him again. For f**king crying out loud even the FIA's Charlie Whiting agreed it was within the rules. This s h i t stinks to a whole new level... 100% bang on! After the last race we were all saying that Massa deserved the win and that to take it away after the race is not the way it should be. Yet the FIA and the race stewards come up with this 2 weeks later. How can this be seen as anything other favouritism. I hope for all motorsport fans this is thrown out, if it not I hope that Lewis wins the rest of the races and then refuses to take part in any of the press conference or podium celebrations. Petulant maybe but what else can he and mclaren do to show their discust Quote
combatsapph Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 QUOTE so why was ferrari allowed to complain if their driver wasnt even at the finish? Ferrari didn't complain - the stewards made this decision entirely off thier own back. Apparently ignoring Charlie Whiting as well it seems. Quote
neilb Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 That'll teach him... at some point during the year perhaps someone at McLaren will give Lewis a copy of the real rule book to read as opposed to the bent one McLaren seem to prefer to use. What a suprise... LOL well I could say the same too... same people seemingly having no problem with another rule break from a McLaren. Neil I have always tried to be impartial over the McL. V F situation and have defended some of the FIA's rules against McL. but this is just a joke. McL have shown that they lifted down the straight and slowed by 6km more than Kimi which looking at how Lewis is pulling away from Kimi was a large lift. Had it been the other way round you would have been asking for action to be taken against the double blocking move down to start straight. You are just trying to stir things up aren't you. Why did you pick yellow for your car and not red I've been rumbled. My dad called me up to give me the news last night (he's a McLaren fan). I said that I'd rather the decision hadn't been made in all honesty. That said, and I'm not defending the decision in any way, the point that Lewis handed the position back to Kimi is not necessarily enough to consider an advantage being taken. As has been said he should have just backed off and had a go later in the lap. so giving kimi the place back is not enough u have to follow him round for a full lap...... Bottomline he gave the place back Kimi weaved down the straight and was slower through the next corner than lewis add to that Kimi didn't finish the race making it completely irrelevant! Quote
FW500 Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 The sport has lacked consistency since Schumacher came to it's attention. I know most of you think there's a huge conspiracy against McLaren, but if there is any 'conspiracy' at all it's not aimed at McLaren it's aimed at whoever is displaying any sign of being dominant. I remember Schumacher getting black flagged for overtaking Hill on the parade lap in 1994 or 1995. Not only that, but for ignoring the black flag he was then banned from the next 3 races. A little harsh IMO and arguably only done because he was completely running away with the championship. I have also seen drivers overtaking the pole-sitter on the parade lap since without so much as a mention. The problem is consistancy, there's none when it comes to the deployment of the safety car, there's none when it comes to stewards decisions and there's none when it comes to how to deal with changing weather conditions. Quote
Buzz Billsberry Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Now I'm not a Ferrari fan by any means they are the Man United of F1 always cheating, always whinging, always getting away with. However I'm a big, big Fan of Massa he's had a load of b*****k from the media about his driving but he's proven them all wrong and his performances have been top draw. Ok he's not the best driver in the world but he'll pick the ball up and run with. The carry-on with the pit lane incident at the GP b4 wasn't his fault it was the teams, winning this race wasn't his fault it was the FIA stewards at the circuit. The Lewis Kimi incident stinks of favoritism towards Ferrari. I’ve been watching F1 in its many guises for the last 40 years and have been to more F1 races than I care to remember and like most I was absolutely god smacked with the decision That was racing. Kimi was the most aggressive pushing Lewis out to the right causing Hammo to go over the kerb. I can’t see where he gained an advantage he eased off then got better traction which gave him better momentum, Kimi aggressive blocking which incidently nearly took them both out. Now if you wanna see a fine example of great driving and tuff racing, which going by the stewards’ decision against Lewis's driving in Spa this weekend then why wasn't this incident punished at Fiji Last year as Massa gained an advantage? ] On Board ] I rest my case Buzz Awesome driving Quote
salexander Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 I'm amazed by the minority of people that believe that Hamilton achieved any sort of advantage by cutting the chicane He was up alongside the Ferrari on the way in and eventually fully behind the Fezza on the exit, doing 6km/h less. Unless the laws of physics have mysteriously changed, he couldn't possibly have gained an advantage. Quote
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