FW500 Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 also what about the start, how many cars ran wide and how many gained an advantage at the first corner....... Hopeful the FIA will release the results of the 2009 season soon so I don't need to watch it 2009 starts with a win from McLaren accompanied by WSCC thread about how Ferrari's reliability is so poor, and how McLaren have the season all sewn up. By mid season Ferrari are leading the championship. 2nd half of the season looks good for the McLarens, but their car is beginning to look suspiciously like the Ferrari. Ferrari Win the season - which considering they have the biggest budget and the most and experience isn't much of a surprise to all but the McLaren fans who believe the whole world is out to get them. Quote
Buzz Billsberry Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Good one Neil Got to say I'm more of a Williams fan but I do like to watch Lewis & Massa Buzz Quote
Matt182trophy Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 My understanding of the rules is that if you cut a corner and gain an advantage, ie overtake another car or cars, then you have to give the place or places back. The problem, as far as I can see, is that Hamilton handed the position back in a way that still meant he would be likely to secure the next overtaking maneuvre. Yes, he was likely to pass at the next corner, because he was much faster in the wet The fact is, they were level going into the corner, and Hamilton crossed the line behind Raikonnen. If he wasn't 1 second behind before the incident, why should he go 1 second behind after the incident to make sure he wasn't penalised? Quote
Blatman Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 This makes it clear as mud....Lewis was punished for leaving the track and not taking an advantage from cutting the corner....I seem to remember a few of the other cars taking to the escape roads..... Is that the faint sound of back pedalling I hear coming from the Spa Francorchamps stewrads hut? Kimi left the track at Pouhon trying to get back past Hamilton and gained an advantage. And he overtook Hamilton under a yellow that was being waved for the spinning BMW. Quote
Carl Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 We've all fallen for the scam. What's the betting this contraversial decision has been made on purpose to get everyone talking so everybody forgets about Mr. 5 times Mosley I can just see him playing the hero and deciding to stay on for an extra term to "save the sport" from this sort of injustice! Quote
slippy Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 The Weekend Racing Died ... http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080908114903.shtml Lauda called it ""This is the worst judgment in the history of F1," he slammed. "The most perverted judgment I have ever seen. "It's absolutely unacceptable when three functionaries (the stewards) influence the championship like this," Lauda added. or here Buzz Superb Quote
jeff oakley Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 What with this decision and the MSA forcing Cats onto engines that are not designed for them, is it any wonder that people are disillusioned with the sports organising bodies. If I was any of the other manufacturers I would be planning a move to any other form of sport except F1, because if this is the best they can do with a world class sport it will wither and die. Quote
Martin Keene Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 This makes it clear as mud.... Lewis was punished for leaving the track and not taking an advantage from cutting the corner....I seem to remember a few of the other cars taking to the escape roads..... Is that the faint sound of back pedalling I hear coming from the Spa Francorchamps stewrads hut? Kimi left the track at Pouhon trying to get back past Hamilton and gained an advantage. And he overtook Hamilton under a yellow that was being waved for the spinning BMW. That's got the markins of an almighty f**k all over it. The FIA stewards rarely discuss decisions after they have been made, to issue a statment like that means this a *very* long way from finished. Quote
FW500 Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 From what I can see the two facts included within the statement are accurate. Lewis did leave the racetrack and he did gain an advantage. The fact he would later let Kimi regain the lead briefly is a separate fact altogether and is a fact that the stewards are not obliged to consider. The planet F1 article considers why Kimi and Nico weren't similarly punished. Clearly the stewards will concentrate on any incidents that affect the World Championship, however, beyond this neither driver finished within the points so what on earth would be gained from handing them a 25 second penalty? Quote
FW500 Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 To all the McLaren' conspiracy worriers: Do you honestly believe that with all the costs involved, a team such as McLaren would compete in a championship that they believed was warped in favour of their competitors? Does that make sense to anyone? Considering the above there are 3 scenarios: 1. McLaren believe there is no conspiracy against them, but there is, and they are simply too stupid to realise it and compete in blissful ignorance. 2. They know the FIA favour Ferrari but are still competing never-the-less for the kudos/opportunities/money of being involved in F1 (in which case they are as currupt as the FIA would supposedly be) 3. THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY Quote
brianm Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 QUOTE 3. THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY OH YES THERE IS.............................. OH NO T................... Quote
Matt Seabrook Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 4. They know the FIA have it in for them but are determined to beat the odds and stick two fingers up to the FIA and win anyway. Quote
neilb Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 From what I can see the two facts included within the statement are accurate. Lewis did leave the racetrack and he did gain an advantage. The fact he would later let Kimi regain the lead briefly is a separate fact altogether and is a fact that the stewards are not obliged to consider. The planet F1 article considers why Kimi and Nico weren't similarly punished. Clearly the stewards will concentrate on any incidents that affect the World Championship, however, beyond this neither driver finished within the points so what on earth would be gained from handing them a 25 second penalty? when did timo glock become a title contender ? the stewards are only looking at incidents that effect the title race is a fact and the results of the judgment in last 2 races shows clearly the level of bias. Quote
Fat Albert Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 The vid I linked to on page 5 clearly shows Schumacher's Ferrari doing exactly what Hamilton's Mclaren did, the smell of F1 is now so rank that the sponsors must be close to the point of walking away, there's a recession coming, they may well be looking for an excuse should that happen the I imagine the FIA will stop paying for first class tickets for votes at emergency meetings anybody know how Belgium & Kenya voted in June? Quote
Martin Keene Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 4. They know the FIA have it in for them but are determined to beat the odds and stick two fingers up to the FIA and win anyway. 5. Kind of on the same lines as Matt's 4. What the hell else are a company like McLaren going to do? Apart from other F1 Teams, McLaren probably have 5-10 times the number of employees of any other motorsport team in the world. Yes they could move in to something like Sportcars full time, but the revenue from sponorship in that would not even begin to cover the overheads of McLaren. Quote
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