combatsapph Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 QUOTE it was Kimi's corner. Sorry, I didn't realise Kimi bought that plot of real estate. Maybe he should look at erecting a picket fence around it. Plus, Hamilton was technically ahead of Kimi in one point of that corner (whilst he was still on track). Quote
FW500 Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 My understanding of the rules is that if you cut a corner and gain an advantage, ie overtake another car or cars, then you have to give the place or places back. Not quite, cutting the corner to gain a position is gaining an advantage. Handing the position back afterwards is unofficially usually enough for the stewards to ignore the incident at their discretion. The problem, as far as I can see, is that Hamilton handed the position back in a way that still meant he would be likely to secure the next overtaking maneuvre. Almost everyone on here isn't going to see that as they're McLaren or LH fans. It's a very close call, but I personally believe there was a slight advantage retained by Lewis in the way he handed the position back to Kimi - whether the advantage was sufficient to warrent the penalty awarded is another matter. Quote
Bananaman Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 It's all bolox............... Why spoil a great race... In the coverage Ron Dennis said that he had asked Charlie W. if what they had done was fair and he said that he thought it was (along with everybody else!!) what the devil to McLaren have to do? Paint thier car RED Quote
FW500 Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 ... In the coverage Ron Dennis said that he had asked Charlie W. if what they had done was fair... Interesting - sounds like even Ron Dennis had his concerns then. Quote
MK11 Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Rewatched the footage on YouTube (whilst it is still there!). Both cars were fighting for the chicane, Hamilton did have his nose in front from the camera angle I saw, but Kimi held his nerve and pushed Hamilton out, giving him little choice but to cut the corner or take both of them out. By cutting the chicane Hamilton did gain an advantage but then allowed Kimi to repass him to give him the position back as per the rules. Not only did Lewis give the place back but he then ducked to the inside behind Kimi and outbraked him into the next corner, all perfectly legit in my opinion. What the stewards seem to have completely ignored is the next incident when Kimi ran off the track behind Lewis onto the runoff area and picked up excellent drive sufficient to close the gap back up and capitalise on Lewis getting shoved onto the grass trying to avoid the recovering Williams. Then having recovered the lead Kimi threw it away as he span off the track and into a wall. Had Kimi not run out of talent he would probably won the race, so what impact did the previous events have on the race result? Personally I think this stinks, whatever advantage Hamilton gained by running off the track he relinquished, not only that but later in the lap Kimi retook the lead only to throw it all away. Quote
tabs23 Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 QUOTE QUOTE My understanding of the rules is that if you cut a corner and gain an advantage, ie overtake another car or cars, then you have to give the place or places back. Not quite, cutting the corner to gain a position is gaining an advantage. Handing the position back afterwards is unofficially usually enough for the stewards to ignore the incident at their discretion. The problem, as far as I can see, is that Hamilton handed the position back in a way that still meant he would be likely to secure the next overtaking maneuvre. So what if you were 20 seconds behind because you hadn't had your pit stop yet and cut the corner. How slow does your next lap have to be for you not to be gaining an advantage. An advantage doesn't have to be an immediate place gain. Also agree with all on here who mentioned Kimi (and anyone else) using the run-off area. Normally in racing more than the odd use of that area (all wheels of the cirucit) will get you a black flag, never mind a time penalty. Just to make it plain, I too think it was one of the worst stewards' decisions ever. Quote
thos Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 What the stewards seem to have completely ignored is the next incident when Kimi ran off the track behind Lewis onto the runoff area and picked up excellent drive sufficient to close the gap back up and capitalise on Lewis getting shoved onto the grass trying to avoid the recovering Williams. Then having recovered the lead under yellow flag it now seems .... http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_4116843,00.html Quote
N_J Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Its a total lack of consistancy with the FIA. Yes I do want LH to win this year, like I wanted Team GB to win as many golds in the Olympics.. but given the decisions that have been made by the FIA, what chance of anyone else other than Ferrari winning? I supose its taken the heat of MM's money making law suit against the News of the Screws and the fact he survived it all. Back to watching 'proper' racing with the touring cars in my black leather outfit and whips. Quote
bhouse Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 It's frustrating because it's a fairly unique concept to motorsport. Football fans don't have to worry about the FA introducing a third goalmouth or something stupid like that just because Manchester United are dominating football If it were football I suspect that the FIA intervention would be to remove or put a fence over the Ferrari goalmouth "in the interests of free competition" Quote
thos Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 How about News of the World to sponsor McLaren next year??? Lewis to wear a nice black leather race suit!! Quote
Man On The Clapham Omnibus Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 At risk of being repetitive... Quote
ludo Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Bourdais was also overtaken under yellow by alonso, heidfeld and vettel, only glock was penalised Quote
neilb Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 also what about the start, how many cars ran wide and how many gained an advantage at the first corner....... Hopeful the FIA will release the results of the 2009 season soon so I don't need to watch it Quote
Barry Ashcroft Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Hopeful the FIA will release the results of the 2009 season soon so I don't need to watch it Quote
neilb Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 This makes it clear as mud.... Lewis was punished for leaving the track and not taking an advantage from cutting the corner....I seem to remember a few of the other cars taking to the escape roads..... Quote
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