F1 spy controversy

[Martin Keene]

This whole business has been blown totally out of proportion, and Ferarri are milking it for all it's worth.  

A comment during the build up to Monza said it all ...  If it had been Super Agura, and (I forget who the other team named were) , no one would have batted an eyelid!

Spyker... From the mouth of The Bernie himself.

[neilwillis]

Yep, I knew someone would remember it

[Martin Keene]

SWMBO madien name was Spijker...

[pistonbroke 2]

780 pages alledged ?

Disappear from a major Italian car manufacturer.

and show up at Ronnies place.

I,d wager that,d be 779 pages of Sophia Loren and

one page with a pic. of a Fesser with some Italian

Porno Minister astride it.

 

[Carl]

Bilmey!!

Seems to be getting a bit more serious.

Suspect the lawyers in woking are earning their money at the moment

[Emma]

OK a girl view.  

If Ferrari used their  fab new improvements (whatever) at one race, what's to stop another team nicking the ideas for the next race?

Does that matter?  If not, then I dont see the big deal!  Also, surely it should be the person that took the documents and handed them over that's in trouble, not the person receiving the stuff!!!  I can't help the s**te that ends up in my inbox, if someone sends me something confidential, how's that my fault??  

[RICHARD+PHILIP]

Yeah but bernies just a promoter of course he's trying to play it down

I reckon Mclaren fill be found guilty and get a 1 race ban for spa that'll suspisiously bring ferrari back into the title hunt and we can have an interesting last 3 races.

cmon Massa  

[Blatman]

Also, surely it should be the person that took the documents and handed them over that's in trouble, not the person receiving the stuff!!!  I can't help the s**te that ends up in my inbox, if someone sends me something confidential, how's that my fault??  

It's your actions after you receive it that are important. If it's stolen, or if you *suspect* it may be stolen, you must report it. Whether that's to your line manager, or to the Police, it matters not. Keeping quiet about it means complicity at best, and stupidity at worst. Ignorance is no defence, and lets not forget these guys aren't stupid. They *know* what they should and should not be doing when sensitive information comes their way. And how many corporate emails these days have multi paragraph footers on them telling the recipient that if they've received this but it isn't for them, then they'd better do something about it, like send it back or delete it without using the info contained therein. True the emails may be going between private individuals without the corporate footer message, but then we're back to reporting it to someone and not simply burying your head in the sand and hope to not get caught...

[Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Chairman]

corporate emails these days have multi paragraph footers on them...

Don't konw how true it is, but a corporate lawyer customer of mine once told me these were pretty meaningless as long as people kept putting them at the bottom of emails, where you'd only see them after you'd read the contents.    

[Blatman]

Meaningless they may be, BUT it removes the "I didn't know" defence if you do come by something by accident, and then use it to your professional or pecuniary advantage.

I'll bet corporates can afford better lawyers than you and me too. It doesn't have to get anywhere near a court to cost lots in legal fees such that a defence quickly becomes impractical...

[neilb]

corporate emails these days have multi paragraph footers on them...

Don't konw how true it is, but a corporate lawyer customer of mine once told me these were pretty meaningless as long as people kept putting them at the bottom of emails, where you'd only see them after you'd read the contents.    

That's very true, just like the software license agreements that say "by breaking the seal on this package you agree to our terms and conditions" yet you can only see the T&C's by installing the software.

The bottom line on this IMO is that ferrari have been found wanting on the trace so they are doing everything they can to win the title in the court room.  I get the feeling the Stepney was looking for a new job at the right time to be used as a fall guy

[peterg]

QUOTE

Luca di Montezemolo claims that Ferrari would be deserving Champions should McLaren be excluded from the title race.

As the Paris hearing draws nearer, that could see World Championship leaders McLaren docked points, the Ferrari president has no qualms with the manner in which the Prancing Horse attains victory.

He told Gazzetta dello Sport:"If the conditions for an off-track victory were met then we would deserve it, because it would have originated from the presupposition that the winners won through illegal, unsporting, and unfair means."

"That's why it would be a deserved victory."

What, like running traction control when it was banned, like running illegal aero devices, like your No1 driver barging a rival for the championship off the track and into retirement.....    

[mr-rad]

FIA = Ferrari International Assistance.

[neilb]

Make interesting reading.

Not like Paul and Ron are good friends, the bit about Massa knowing about the penalty in Hungary 35 minutes before it was announced is good...

[Martin Keene]

Make interesting reading.

Not like Paul and Ron are good friends, the bit about Massa knowing about the penalty in Hungary 35 minutes before it was announced is good...

Jesus H Jones...

If that is true, and I have not reason to doubt it isn't, the FIA has got some *very* searching questions to be answered...