Dunnell Difference

[samcooke]

The camera car does about a 2.10 according to the youtube clock (advan bridge to advan bridge), though I dare say there would be some margin for error there.

I too can't see how nikpro knows how evo-mark's times compare, unless I'm missing something.

@gp350se - 2.10 from a c. 160bhp car against 1.57 from a (presumably) experienced driver in a 179bhp car isn't that bad a show at all, but I'd guess you could make up 10 seconds or so with some practice and instruction.

Or just sell up, buy westy's car and whoop some a**.

[Sir Greg]

i can't understand why people diss power

of course suspension brakes driver ability all come in to play but as soon as anyone wants more power they are shot down in flames

IMHO any posts I've read on the subject are quite consistent. The more "experienced" guys will always say, why go for more power when you can have the same results by improving other areas of the car....... or even by improving driving ability.

For me it seems like sensible advice rather than being shot down in flames?  

To throw more power at a poorly set up car is more likely to show up these deficiences  rather than make the car "faster"

I'm lucky enough to have a car with around 200bhp but already I'm looking to make it quicker. I could go spend another few grand on the engine and have another 50 horses to play with....... and the car will probably be quicker on any given lap.

But...... I've chosen to up grade the suspension first by optimising spring and damper rates and fitting ARB's front and rear. After that I'm looking to fit a more suitable set of gear ratios as the car has a standard type 9.

Only then will I go looking for the other 50bhp as I'll know by then that the rest of the car is as capable as it can be and the extra power isn't being sapped or diluted by some other area of the car.  

[samcooke]

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I've chosen to up grade the suspension first by optimising spring and damper rates and fitting ARB's front and rear. After that I'm looking to fit a more suitable set of gear ratios as the car has a standard type 9.

Only then will I go looking for the other 50bhp

It's gonna be an expensive winter Sir Greg...

[Sir Greg]

I should have said........"when I can afford it" at some point in that post    

[JeffC]

yep I would agree as Ive just bought a much quicker car and am lapping no quicker  

Ive noticed with my old busa you can over take a slower westy (Andrew/pinto  for example    )  down the straights get a good way ahead  and as you reach a higher speed quicker you need to brake earlier so when you reach the next corner the gap you pulled  is now next to nothing as the slower car can carry the speed later into the corner and brake much later, Its a strange one and to me the track you chose will vary the results, Oulton is a power track and I would say extra bhp would really help in this instance.

Andrew in his Pinto always does really well with his 140bhp on shorter/slower tracks and shames most cars with an extra 100bhp  but he will admit as much Oulton is hard work  as it suits quicker cars  

[higgsti]

look at some of andrews footage against me in my car my car is circa 240 bhp on the straights i can pull away but on the corners andrew reels me in .this a combination of a few thinks better lines and like jeff says being able to keep more  power down in corners.im not at the moment able to corner as fast as i could in my megablade need more time in the saddle to build up my confidence.some of andrews benifits are also down to tyres too slicks make a big difference .if you look at anglesey /cadwell footage were andrews following me theres no way i could take the corners on the lines he uses with my tyres that he isdoing.more practice is needed more power isnt the only  answer to your lapping times .tuition is very usefull if its available use it some trackday companies give it free

[Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Chairman]

I wonder how many areas of life you'd get flamed in for suggesting to someone how to get similar results by spending far less money.    

[nikpro]

would lapping in the mid 1 min 40"s be a reasonably quick time round the full circuit, I never got any times all day  everything ive got on vid sees me getting held up but a guy i was talking to reckons thats I was doing (later sessions when got used to track)  and if so I would only have Mark at a few secs behind    

ps. would think it will be a while before Mark will be replying, he phoned me at 8.00 last night when he was opening his first bottle of wine and looks like he was still drinking at 12.42        

It would be excellent! It is quicker than a Radical prosport and would have put you easily on Pole Position in the Lotus on Track series; ahead of a supercharged Honda Exige with 350 bhp.

You would have also been close to pole position in the Porsche Cup championship where Paul Hogarth was on Pole in a Porsche 997 cup car with a 1min 45.

Evo-Mark;

(Estimated your lap time from camera car - not that accurate I agree but timed it from where you went past to where the video ends then added on the time it would take to get to the place where your lap would have been completed using data logs I have of the circuit using a time that best suited the speed of your car on other parts of the circuit)

In a straight line a similar car with more power will obviously be quicker but there are far better and cheaper ways of going quicker round a circuit than just adding power as this alone will make negligable difference to an inexperienced track driver.

Gav,

to assume you were on the same tyres means that your corner speeds were similar is grossly inaccurate - corner speed depends on far more than tyres!

10 seconds at oulton is 3/4's of thhe start/finish straight so it's a massive difference per lap  

[JeffC]

cool , I  best apply for a race license then and tommo was going quicker so he better get used to the taste of champagne instead of his cheeky reds     

ps . did you read my next quote with Marks *actual times *  

· Posted on Sep. 09 2007,08:59

right just had a quick look at my video of the last session of the day  the one where the mount slipped and is  pointing at my nose cone for 20 minutes        

I can see the tarmac so can time a lap from the white lines on the start finish      on my first  lap I catch Marks car up and push  him round for a lap and he did a 1.54  

in 20 mins I didnt have one clear lap where I didnt get bogged down    but best time I can see for my car on that video is 1.49  

[evo-mark]

Evo-Mark;

(Estimated your lap time from camera car - not that accurate I agree but timed it from where you went past to where the video ends then added on the time it would take to get to the place where your lap would have been completed using data logs I have of the circuit using a time that best suited the speed of your car on other parts of the circuit)

i'm so glad you never posted that last night

i'm sober now and i haven't got clue what that means

[JeffC]

Mr Crabs and sponge  were lapping in just under  2mins 3 secs looking at this  video here  

Mark  bearing in mind you were on a similar pace on the morning session to the crustaceons (spelling    ) it shows a good improvement during the day, Im sure if you when you go back next time you will be quicker again.  

[nikpro]

i'm so glad you never posted that last night

i'm sober now and i haven't got clue what that means

This is the difference 9 seconds makes round Oulton; the red circle on the track map represents a 1.57 lap and the black circle represents a car on a 2min 6 lap and where it would be on the circuit as the red car completes it's lap - basically way out of sight!

[evo-mark]

well i still don't understand it

But i'm impressed  

[Pilot Pete]

Mr Crabs and sponge  were lapping in just under  2mins 3 secs looking at this  video here  

Mark  bearing in mind you were on a similar pace on the morning session to the crustaceons (spelling    ) it shows a good improvement during the day, Im sure if you when you go back next time you will be quicker again.  

Captains best lap was a 2.01.

My best lap was a 2.00 dead.

I KNEW IT!      

And we didn't even capture my last session where I was giving it some serious beans! must have been down into  the late 1.58 / 59's.

Not bad for 140 three legged ponies.

[nikpro]

Mark  bearing in mind you were on a similar pace on the morning session to the crustaceons (spelling    ) it shows a good improvement during the day, Im sure if you when you go back next time you will be quicker again.  

Captains best lap was a 2.01.

My best lap was a 2.00 dead.

I KNEW IT!      

And we didn't even capture my last session where I was giving it some serious beans! must have been down into  the late 1.58 / 59's.

Not bad for 140 three legged ponies.

These are very good times indeed and are excellent for the power you have available; I did notice the video posted of the clear lap was about a 2.01. Your lines are excellent and this is obviously where you are making up the time along with a very good car set-up.

These times that you were acheiving help to highlight the point I'm trying to make in that you don't need to spend lots on an engine to go faster; there are cheaper and more satisfying ways.

I pressume from the pictures taken on the day you were running slicks or am I mistaken?