Gromit Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 QUOTE CO2 concentrations increase surface temperature (undisputed) Human CO2 emissions increased concentration 50% (undisputed) But they are disputed, otherwise this whole debate wouldn`t have started. I`m with NielB on this one, its got more to do with the western governments protecting what oil/gas reserves they`ve got left, to hang on to their present power over the 3rd world and middle east. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilb Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Pete, we know that you live in the Netherlands and you are very keen not to see the water rise or Amsterdam will have to be renamed New Atlantis, but its like the XXXX advert they load the pickup with beer then add a bottle of sherry for the Sheilas - was it the bottle that broke the pickup or the 2 tonnes of larger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geelhoed Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 @ gromit Those two fact ARE undisputed! You don't understand the matter if you think they are. @neilb I've just bought a house that's only 2 meters below sealevel as opposed to the 4 meters I am renting now, still I'm not worried about that since sealevel rise is fast on global scale but not on civil engineering scale. Your advert is a a good example. The two tonnes of beer are there anyway, nothing we can do about that. But perhaps half a bottle of sherry wouldn't have broken the pick-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilb Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 If the climate is as finally balance as you say and the amount of CO2 will tip it over the edge, given that human CO2 is only a small percentage of the total CO2, is it not more realist to look at what caused the massive swings in global temperate from the past when we were not around making all this CO2. Maybe we should plug the volcanoes, cut down more trees and put big blankets over the seas to stop them giving off CO2. Why was it up to about 1975 they were saying we are heading for another ice age? Why was it colder 500 and hotter 1000 years ago? If you can give me another example of such a small element of an extremely complex system having almost complete control then I would like to see it. If you want to buy the story that this tiny amount of gas in the atmosphere is the beginning and end of climate change then that’s up to you. BTW what happened to the problem with the ozone layer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob iles Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 The catastpophic effect that we humans have on the enviroment is........ Absolutely gorgeous here in warwickshire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SADDLEWORTH Posted March 13, 2007 Author Share Posted March 13, 2007 If you missed the program http://www.channel4.com/science....ex.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geelhoed Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 BTW what happened to the problem with the ozone layer? We stopped making CFC's and the chemical balance restored itself. If we stop making CO2 the same could happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pistonbroke Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 since when did 250 become a half of 390 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pembroke Pat Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Schmoking is an undisputed producer of CO2. So no more schmokin' for the netherlands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelcoombs Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 since when did 250 become a half of 390 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter pan Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 I notice that no one has had the bottle to overlay the human population level graph from medieval warm period to the present day, over the ones shown above. This graph is true hockey stick graph. Those who believe that humans are the cause of the current episode of global warming would be advised to do this. In Earth time, humans have landed on the Earth in the last few seconds to midnight, If we have indeed managed to damage the planet in this tiny space of time as some maintain, it means that humanity is a disgusting and devastatingly toxic organsim for the Earth, and on that basis its perhaps best for the planet if we do stuff ourselves, and disappear completely. The Earth will go on swinging around the sun long after we are gone. Eventually the sun which gives us life now will go super nova, and steadily destroy all of the planets in its system, starting with the nearest first, or a meteor could get us before that. Dont we just live in a peachy place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilb Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 since when did 250 become a half of 390 250 + 50% is 375 therefore 375 is 50 higher than 250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geelhoed Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 since when did 250 become a half of 390 This is what I have to work with?!? 390 is around 150% of 250...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob iles Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 I saw the programme and found it very interesting, All i know is that we're only on this planet for a short time and we should enjoy our time here while we can Its inevitable we are all going to DIE If there is another ice age and the human race is wiped out , what a bummer If there's a heatwave to end civilisation , oh well Long after were gone mother nature will still be there looking after herself as she has done since the dawn of time, with or without our help. If everyone who has posted on this thread is with the GW theory go sell your westy /tintop and stop using vital resources posting replies. If you think it's yet another conspiracy by Big Brother join the Que Get home from work ,get out in that car and put some smiles on yer face Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pistonbroke Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 since when did 250 become a half of 390 250 + 50% is 375 therefore 375 is 50 higher than 250 so you scientists pick an number and make it fit ? just like the statistitians Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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